- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
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Serra antwren edit
... that the serra antwren is endemic to southeastern Brazil but its precise range is unclear?
- Reviewed: Rue du Tapis-Vert
5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
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- Interesting:
- I'm sorry, but I don't think this hook is interesting enough. The fact that it lives somewhere but it isn't known exactly where doesn't seem very hooky or interesting to a broad audience as required by DYK. Could you think of a new, more interesting hook?
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--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review @SkyGazer 512:, it's difficult to find anything particularly interesting. How about:
- ALT1
... that in 2011, the serra antwren was detected 200 km (124 mi) further north than its previous known range?Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:25, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying and for the new suggestion. However, I still don't necessarily think it meets the needed criteria for interestingness. It's very common for a species to be discovered in a new location and the distance really isn't that far. I'll look through the article and see if there's anything I can find that seems like it would make a good hook.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- I don't see much in the article that would make a good DYK hook, but I did take a look at the IUCN ref and found something somewhat interesting. It says that "This species has a very large range" and is listed as Least Concern, but it also says "this species is described as 'uncommon'" and states that it's population is declining. I'm trying to determine whether there that could somehow be made into a decent hook. I'll be on the lookout for more possible hooks.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- @SkyGazer 512: The "interesting to a broad audience" criterion should in my opinion be interpreted as an aspiration rather than an edict. I suggest we go with ALT1 because two ornithologists were sufficiently excited at finding the bird so far from its known range that they published a paper on the subject. The IUCN comments you mention follow a formula used in large numbers of IUCN species accounts. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- I agree that the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion shouldn't be interpreted as a strict, hard rule, but we still shouldn't just promote any fact to the main page; it still probably needs to be something that common people would be at least somewhat fascinated with and want to click on. I personally am actually more lenient than many as to what I think can be included in DYK, but I doubt that ALT1 or ALT0 is something that would be interesting to readers. Maybe a better idea would be to incorporate ALT1 into another hook stating that ornithologists were so excited that they found the bird 200 km away from its known range that they published a paper on it? That would better explain the significance, imo.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- @SkyGazer 512: How about ALT2
- I agree that the "interesting to a broad audience" criterion shouldn't be interpreted as a strict, hard rule, but we still shouldn't just promote any fact to the main page; it still probably needs to be something that common people would be at least somewhat fascinated with and want to click on. I personally am actually more lenient than many as to what I think can be included in DYK, but I doubt that ALT1 or ALT0 is something that would be interesting to readers. Maybe a better idea would be to incorporate ALT1 into another hook stating that ornithologists were so excited that they found the bird 200 km away from its known range that they published a paper on it? That would better explain the significance, imo.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 14:26, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- @SkyGazer 512: The "interesting to a broad audience" criterion should in my opinion be interpreted as an aspiration rather than an edict. I suggest we go with ALT1 because two ornithologists were sufficiently excited at finding the bird so far from its known range that they published a paper on the subject. The IUCN comments you mention follow a formula used in large numbers of IUCN species accounts. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- I don't see much in the article that would make a good DYK hook, but I did take a look at the IUCN ref and found something somewhat interesting. It says that "This species has a very large range" and is listed as Least Concern, but it also says "this species is described as 'uncommon'" and states that it's population is declining. I'm trying to determine whether there that could somehow be made into a decent hook. I'll be on the lookout for more possible hooks.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying and for the new suggestion. However, I still don't necessarily think it meets the needed criteria for interestingness. It's very common for a species to be discovered in a new location and the distance really isn't that far. I'll look through the article and see if there's anything I can find that seems like it would make a good hook.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that in 2011, the serra antwren was detected 200 km (124 mi) further north than its previous known range, when it responded to recordings of its song? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:28, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Cwmhiraeth; I like ALT2 much better and believe that it is interesting enough for DYK. I refer to my original review for the rest of the criteria; this should be good to go!--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: I've struck the other 2 hooks so that whoever promotes this can clearly see which hook has been approved; I hope you're okay with this.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- That's fine, thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:14, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note: I've struck the other 2 hooks so that whoever promotes this can clearly see which hook has been approved; I hope you're okay with this.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 19:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
