Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Poulton Kalley

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The result was: promoted by sst✈^(discuss) 15:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Sarah Poulton Kalley

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Sarah Kalley

• ... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) and her husband started the first Protestant church in Brazil?

• ALT1: ... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) translated John Bunyan's novel The Holy War into the Portuguese language and authored a biography of him?
• ALT2: ... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) wrote 72 of the Portuguese language songs in the 1861 hymnal Salmos e Hinos?
• ALT3: ... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) wrote 72 of the Portuguese language songs in Salmos e Hinos, the first Protestant hymnal published in Brazil?

— Maile (talk) 16:11, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

• Reviewed: QPQ = Kathrin Barboza Marquez

Created by Maile (talk) and Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 10:32, 4 November 2015 (UTC).

• • ALT4: ... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) wrote 72 of the Portuguese language songs in the 1861 hymnal Salmos e Hinos, which is still used in Brazil today? MurielMary (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

• DYK's collaboration is still working! Thanks. I prefer your alts, I cannot see the sources but its good to see she was even better than I thought as a subject for a bio. Thanks Maile66 Victuallers (talk) 23:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Interesting life, on good sources, JSTOR sources accepted AGF, image is free but a bit on the pale side. I suggest yet another hook about her work for the first hymnal in Portuguese,- more interesting than first church, I think. Please word it, or I can't review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:48, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm striking ALT3 I just wrote. It's a little iffy to know how many Sarah wrote for the first version of the hymnal, and how I wrote it in the article is correct with the source. According to the source, it was first published in 1861 with only 50 hymns "half of which were written by Dr. and Mrs. Kalley." 6 hymns were added 4 years later, but it doesn't say who wrote them. There were other editions published over the years with more hymns written by other people. Where we get Sarah's contribution is this (p. 265) "The most recent edition of Salmos e Hinos, issued in 1959, contains six hundred and eight hymns and metrical Psalms; the authorship of seventy-two of the hymns is attributed to Sarah Kalley." If Victuallers would like to give a hook a try, maybe he can word something. — Maile (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Comment Just browsing the DYK noms as a new reviewer and I have to say that I disagree here - I think the original hook about the first church is much more interesting than the alt blurbs on writing hymns. As they stand, it appears rather obscure to have written hymns for an 1861 publication; it's not clear that the 1861 hymnal is still used (which it is, according to the article). Also, the number of hymns written is not contextualised so it's rather meaningless - was it 72 out of 75 that she wrote, or 72 out of 500?? Finally, there's no mention in the alt blurbs of Brazil - the reader could get the impression that she lived in Portugal. MurielMary (talk) 10:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Portuguese is the official language of Brazil. So, it's kind of like just because somebody speaks Spanish, it is not the natural conclusion that they live in Spain. Please feel free to offer another hook. — Maile (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I'm well aware that Portuguese is the official language of Brazil, my point was that when the hook doesn't mention Brazil, a great deal of the interest of her life is lost. I have put up an additional suggestion for a hook as per Gerda's suggestion. MurielMary (talk) 07:26, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I am looking for a NEW hook. Founding a church is easy, writing hymns that are still sung not so. I will approve the first hook, but hope for something showing her/their special talent better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

• ALT5: ... that every church in Brazil was Catholic until Sarah Kalley (pictured) and her husband arrived?
• ALT6:... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) translated John Bunyan's novel The Holy War into the language of Brazil?
• ALT7: ... that Sarah Kalley (pictured) wrote 72 songs for Salmos e Hinos when it was the first Protestant Brazilian hymnal in 1861?

Taken some of the points above to recreate the hooks Victuallers (talk) 11:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Victuallers Striking ALT7 as not correct. The first hymnal only had 50 hymns "half of which were written by Dr. and Mrs. Kalley." We don't know how many she wrote for the first one. And we don't have an exact count for her contributions until the 1959 edition, which by then contained 680 hymns by a number of people. — Maile (talk) 13:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

• Also, I prefer whichever hook is picked (or offered) not lump her together with her husband, as if her contributions were dependent upon him. If she is notable enough for Wikipedia, she should be notable on her own.— Maile (talk) 13:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Reverted "rejected" close. Subscription sources accepted AGF, image free but a bit pale. Approve first simple hook, KISS ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)