- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:51, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
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Rosalie Housman edit
... that Rosalie Housman's compositions were praised by Carrie Jacobs-Bond?
- Reviewed: Phantasy Quartet
Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:31, 25 November 2018 (UTC).
Honestly the hook isn't very good: from what I can tell from Jacobs-Bond's article, she appeared to have been a composer of some repute. However, the hook as it stands doesn't work as it lacks context on Jacobs-Bond's importance: i.e., how is being praised by her a big deal? As such, I'm afraid that I'll have to strike the hook. I would also suggest expanding the article further, as there doesn't seem to be much else content that could work as hooks, other than perhaps those review quotes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- I will find a different hook, but I won't expand the article because I can't expand the article. She is notable, but there isn't much more out there. It is DYK length so I know it isn't a problem. SL93 (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- I unstriked the hook. You are free to bring it up for further discussion on the DYK talk page. SL93 (talk) 04:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- Please don't unstrike the hook, it has been struck for a reason. Theoretically, a variation of it might work (i.e. a version that explains Jacobs-Bond's importance), but the hook as currently proposed is unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- Consensus works both ways in my view. Maybe I'm being too upset, but I just had an editor add unreliable content to the Kate McComb article, that was already approved for DYK, and then they had the audacity to tell me to source the unreliable content that they added. SL93 (talk) 04:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- Please don't unstrike the hook, it has been struck for a reason. Theoretically, a variation of it might work (i.e. a version that explains Jacobs-Bond's importance), but the hook as currently proposed is unsuitable. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
I will withdraw this. I don't like that one editor can strike down a hook and I certainly don't like what Yoninah did on the Kate McComb article. SL93 (talk) 04:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- @SL93: Are you sure about this? You don't have any other suggestions here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:53, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
ALT1... that Rosalie Housman's compositions were praised by Carrie Jacobs-Bond, a composer who performed for Theodore Roosevelt at the White House?SL93 (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2018 (UTC)- I also added it to the article. SL93 (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- I forgot the ping - Narutolovehinata5. SL93 (talk) 07:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
- There are plenty of facts I could replace that with when it comes to why being praised by her was significant - such as Carrie Jacobs-Bond being the first woman to open her own publishing firm and the first woman to sell over a million copies of her sheet music. SL93 (talk) 04:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that Rosalie Housman's compositions were sung by prominent musicians of the time?SL93 (talk) 04:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
- Being the first woman to sell over a million copies of her sheet music might make for an interesting hook. Please suggest a hook based on that and I'll take a look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5
ALT3: ... that Rosalie Housman's compositions were praised by Carrie Jacobs-Bond, a composer who was the first woman to sell over a million copies of her sheet music? - ALT4: ... that Rosalie Housman's compositions were sung by prominent musicians of the time including Florence Easton and Sara Teasdale? SL93 (talk) 16:37, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- I guess my preference here would be ALT4. Those names aren't really familiar to a broad audience, but I suppose the context would make it interesting. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. Though I think it's more broad of an audience than many hooks that I see go through. SL93 (talk) 00:00, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- I crossed out the first three alt hooks, but I'm not sure if this is an approval of alt4. SL93 (talk) 00:05, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Without the tick I mean. SL93 (talk) 01:38, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- I guess my preference here would be ALT4. Those names aren't really familiar to a broad audience, but I suppose the context would make it interesting. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:42, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5
- Being the first woman to sell over a million copies of her sheet music might make for an interesting hook. Please suggest a hook based on that and I'll take a look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 Is this an approval? I'm not sure why this is a long process. SL93 (talk) 13:57, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- It's not an approval but more of a suggestion. I'm not really ready to approve the hook as I'd like to hear a second opinion on it first from other editors: @Gerda Arendt and Yoninah: thoughts on ALT4? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- ALT4 is fine, however, I have a problem with the article, hopefully nothing to upset you further, SL93. I have no idea what kind of music she composed, and how it sounds. Is it songs, and only songs (art songs, with piano?), that should be said. Do we have any titles, lyricists? - Minor: first she studies, then she lectures, than come her teachers, - I'd put that in chronology. How do you feel about an infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- The book that I used for the article says that she did songs for the violin and piano. It also has a list of some of her work for chamber, piano, vocal, and sacred. I will add it now. I can also add an infobox. SL93 (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt I tried to address your concerns. What do you think? SL93 (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Much better, thank you! - I'd write a hook around the Pieces of Jade, mentioning the interesting scoring, seriously. How about saying "mostly songs and chamber music" in the lead? I don't understand the first two lines under compositions, would perhaps make it prose, and move the details about some songs also under that header. Perhaps all prose? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- ALT5: ... that Rosalie Housman's composition was made for made for violin, viola, flute, gong, harp and soprano? I don't know as much about music as you do, but it does seems unusual to me to have a gong included in there. I made more changes to the article. SL93 (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I prefer active voice, so would say:
- ALT6: ... that Rosalie Housman composed Pieces of Jade for violin, viola, flute, gong, harp and soprano?
- Do we know when, or about when? Because this could have been last year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- A source that I have just says 1938? for the date. SL93 (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- So we could add "c. 1938" or begin "In the 1930s" or leave it as it is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- A source that I have just says 1938? for the date. SL93 (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- ALT5: ... that Rosalie Housman's composition was made for made for violin, viola, flute, gong, harp and soprano? I don't know as much about music as you do, but it does seems unusual to me to have a gong included in there. I made more changes to the article. SL93 (talk) 15:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Much better, thank you! - I'd write a hook around the Pieces of Jade, mentioning the interesting scoring, seriously. How about saying "mostly songs and chamber music" in the lead? I don't understand the first two lines under compositions, would perhaps make it prose, and move the details about some songs also under that header. Perhaps all prose? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt I tried to address your concerns. What do you think? SL93 (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- The book that I used for the article says that she did songs for the violin and piano. It also has a list of some of her work for chamber, piano, vocal, and sacred. I will add it now. I can also add an infobox. SL93 (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- ALT4 is fine, however, I have a problem with the article, hopefully nothing to upset you further, SL93. I have no idea what kind of music she composed, and how it sounds. Is it songs, and only songs (art songs, with piano?), that should be said. Do we have any titles, lyricists? - Minor: first she studies, then she lectures, than come her teachers, - I'd put that in chronology. How do you feel about an infobox. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- It's not an approval but more of a suggestion. I'm not really ready to approve the hook as I'd like to hear a second opinion on it first from other editors: @Gerda Arendt and Yoninah: thoughts on ALT4? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt's hook just needs an approval. SL93 (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
