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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BorgQueen (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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Qnat

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[[File:|140px|Qnat, Lebanon from the west ]]
Qnat, Lebanon from the west
  • ... that during the Battle of Qnat, a group of 44 Lebanese resistance fighters stood up to a 3,000-strong Syrian brigade? Source: Clovis Choueifaty, This is how the Free Resistance faced the Assad army in Lebanon (Beirut, 2017)
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Created by PalauanReich (talk). Self-nominated at 02:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Qnat; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: No - The one giant paragraph in the History section has all its reference lumped at the end. I understand that often sources are reworked and mixed, making it impractical to identify a specific source for each statement. This giant paragraph should be broken up into more reasonable paragraph sizes, which will then also allow the references to be more specific.
  • Neutral: No - The History section is not entirely NPOV, problem terms: "surprisingly effective", "martyred".
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Yes

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - As a result of the huge history paragraph, it is impossible to check if the hook is properly cited. Policy requires that "the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact."
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - The numbers in the hook are not mentioned in the article!

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Thank you for working hard on this new geography article! Please modify the huge History paragraph by breaking it up into a few smaller paragraphs, adding the appropriate references. The hook itself must be in the article - if no sources back up the total number of fighters (from both sides!), then the hook needs to be rewritten. Remove the copyvio image. Other general improvement suggestions (not related to this DYK): add vital statistics and demographics, and Economy section. Thanks. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 16:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

  • @PalauanReich: let me know when the article is ready for another review. At this moment, I still don't see the "3000-strong" fact in the article... -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
    • @P199: sorry, I didn't know you could have it rereviewed, I instead created a Battle of Qnat wikipedia article that I submitted. It says 3000 strong though, right after Hamat Airport. PalauanReich (talk) 13:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
      • Sure, DYK's are not dead after only one review. Articles can be worked on to address the issues raised in the DYK review. As for this review, sorry, yes, I see the "3000" in the article, but what source/reference is this number from? -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
        • From here PalauanReich (talk) 12:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
          • Sorry, it is not on that webpage (using Google Translate). -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
            • @@P199: It is from here actually, although that article is an almost exact copy of many sections of the lebanese forces article. Also, I think we should disregard that nomination and just use the Battle of Qnat nomination I made as that actually would allow us to link it to the main article which has more info on the battle than the Qnat town article. PalauanReich (talk) 00:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment: The nominator has "abandoned" this DYK nomination in favor of Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Qnat (see above).
@PalauanReich: but you could also consider a double DYK nomination, like Template:Did you know nominations/Kesagami Provincial Park. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 13:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

  • @PalauanReich: so have you withdrawn this nomination? It'll need to be closed then, which is why I'm asking. BorgQueen (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
    • @BorgQueen:, Yes, I'll also withdraw the Battle of Qnat one as well. Too much work at the moment. PalauanReich (talk) 15:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
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