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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:17, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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  • ... that Qasim al-Ahmad of Beit Wazan (pictured) broke a siege against his men by leading a charge against the Ottoman and Touqan besiegers, personally killing at least 295 enemy fighters?

Created/expanded by Al Ameer son (talk) and Huldra (talk). Nominated by Al Ameer son (talk) at 18:41, 23 June 2015 (UTC).

  • Article new enough, long enough, and adequately cited. Hook short enough, interesting enough, and also cited. Prefer the original hook. Article appears to be neutral and free of copyright violations and plagiarism. Cheers!♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:57, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I have returned this from prep 4 as the hook statement about personally killing 295 enemy is clearly an extraordinary claim that moreover is not supported in the article, which employs the caveat "according to local accounts". The hook will need to be revised or a new hook found. Gatoclass (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
      • @Gatoclass: How about with the caveat in the hook which I just added? --Al Ameer (talk) 00:07, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Quite honestly, even the word "accounts" looks like an overstatement to me. I think "folklore" would probably be a more appropriate word, ie, "according to local folklore". But the hook is also a bit long with the added phrase and could use some trimming. Gatoclass (talk) 07:41, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
On reflection, maybe we should just go with Alt1. It's a decent hook and more informative anyway. Gatoclass (talk) 07:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Note: I've struck the original hook, and put Al Ameer son's modifications to it as ALT2. Especially when a hook has been promoted and then reverted, it's important to see the original and the modification on this page so we know what has happened. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:59, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: I support using ALT1. Macalister & Masterman (the origin of the "295 enemy fighters killed") basically reported what they had heard; the problem is that such reports about local heroes have universally tended to become exaggerated. And how many people a person has killed in the heath of a battle would be unverifiable virtually anytime. Huldra (talk) 19:28, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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