- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
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Plácido Zuloaga
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The Fonthill Casket, from the Spanish Metalwork Khalili Collection
- ... that the Fonthill Casket (pictured), created by Plácido Zuloaga, is decorated elaborately on the inside as well as the outside? Lavin, James D. (1997). The art and tradition of the Zuloagas : Spanish damascene from the Khalili Collection. Oxford: Khalili Family Trust in association with the Victoria and Albert Museum. ISBN 1-874780-10-2. OCLC 37560664. p.57 "In the case of the cassone, [...] one must wonder at the care taken to ornament its elaborate interior." p.71 "The entire interior is decorated in white painted enamel with black ornament repeating in silhouette the baroque style of the exterior panels" Also p.71 "This enormous iron casket was thus undoubtedly made by Plácido Zuloaga, apparently as his first commission for Alfred Morrison." Also p.71 "Since the cassone has long been known as the 'Fonthill Casket', it must originally have been among the furnishings of Fonthill Manor[.]"
- ALT1 ... that the works of Plácido Zuloaga, such as the Fonthill Casket (pictured), took a team of between eight and twelve specialized artisans to produce due to their intricacy? Lavin, James D. (1997). The art and tradition of the Zuloagas : Spanish damascene from the Khalili Collection. p. 63. Oxford: Khalili Family Trust in association with the Victoria and Albert Museum. ISBN 1-874780-10-2. OCLC 37560664. "We are told that by 1890, after thirty years of working in Eibar, Plácido had 'formed more than two hundred artists in damascening'. At any one time during the 1870s and 1880s the number of artists in the various specialities required to produce a major object ranged between eight and a dozen." Also P. 63 "it would have been impossible for Plácido to produce within a reasonable time any of his monumental commissions, such as the Fonthill Casket or Prim's tomb, without the participation of the teams of specialists he employed."
Casket by Plácido Zuloaga from the Spanish Metalwork Khalili Collection
- ALT2 ... that Plácido Zuloaga trained more than two hundred artists to make damascened art works (example pictured)?
- Reviewed: Lucien Sève
Moved to mainspace by MartinPoulter (talk). Self-nominated at 10:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC).
- Comment I have added an alternate hook which I think is more interesting. An elaborately decorated casket isn't really too out of the ordinary, so I am concerned the main hook may not elicit the necessary interest in a general audience. Please let me know if you like it MartinPoulter. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: Thanks for taking a look and providing this alternative. I'll be interested to see what a reviewer says about either hook. I agree that a casket being elaborately decorated isn't surprising in itself, but I thought it being decorated on the inside was interesting, as usually for a cassone there would be no point in doing this, and it says something about Zuloaga's approach to metalwork. I would prefer that whatever hook is used mention the Khalili Collections since they have the leading collection of extant Zuloaga works and since their GLAM partnership helped to get the article created. Just to be clear: I'm the Wikimedian In Residence for the Khalili Collections. MartinPoulter (talk) 08:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter: Khalili could probably be just as easily be mentioned in ALT1, but what do you think of putting it in the thumbnail caption instead to keep things short, as I've done? Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 09:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: That's great. I only ask that it be pluralised: because there are eight distinct collections, the name in use (and title of the WP article) is Khalili Collections rather than Collection. MartinPoulter (talk) 14:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter: I understand that there are eight collections, that's why I specified the one it was from. I see no need to pluralize it. The link works. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 15:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Psiĥedelisto: Yes, the link works, but it's a redirect. I thought the done thing was to avoid linking to redirects unless there might in future be an article at the redirected location? Looking at the MOS, I don't see that advised, so I could well be wrong. Thanks for your work on this. MartinPoulter (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter: In general linking to redirects is allowed and even encouraged even if an article is never expected to exist there if it makes the wikitext simpler, see MOS:NOPIPE. However, you reminded me that there's an exception to this rule, MOS:DYKPIPE, so I added the needed pipe to avoid the redirect. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) 16:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've put a cropped version in, as it makes the details pop a bit more. The uncropped version is what's in the article, but AFAIK it's fine because it's the same image sans some black space on the edges. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
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Overall: 
The list of exhibitions is lifted, word for word, from nasserdkhalili.com/the-eight-collections-2. The source is CC-BY-SA 4.0, and is cited, so not an issue.
I don't really think that the image pops well. Certainly not as well as some of the other photos that you've used in other nominations. File:Khalili Collection Spanish Damascened Metalwork zul109.jpg is much more stunning at 160px. Alas that's not the work detailed in the article.
I'm concerned that the article is largely based off of a single source, but that's outside the remit of DYK review.
Good to go. Either hook is fine. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 04:07, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I also think the image doesn't stand out well at thumbnail size, but the hooks don't make sense without it. Would you like to propose another hook angle and/or clearer images? Yoninah (talk) 22:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I've added ALT2 with the image suggested by The Squirrel Conspiracy. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Well, the second image looks even darker than the first. Yoninah (talk) 12:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't look dark to me, but YMMV. Maybe we interpret "clearer" differently. Is it a matter of the image needing to be lightened? Is there an image in the article that counts as clear for you? MartinPoulter (talk) 19:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter: you know, the first image has grown on me. Can we run it with ALT2? Yoninah (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: Happy with that, using the first image and its given caption. Cheers, MartinPoulter (talk) 15:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- @MartinPoulter: you know, the first image has grown on me. Can we run it with ALT2? Yoninah (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't look dark to me, but YMMV. Maybe we interpret "clearer" differently. Is it a matter of the image needing to be lightened? Is there an image in the article that counts as clear for you? MartinPoulter (talk) 19:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Well, the second image looks even darker than the first. Yoninah (talk) 12:44, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I've added ALT2 with the image suggested by The Squirrel Conspiracy. MartinPoulter (talk) 12:10, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
