Template:Did you know nominations/Noor ur Rahman Barkati
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The result was: rejected by — Maile (talk) 19:00, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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Noor ur Rahman Barkati edit
* ... that an Indian imam Noor ur Rahman Barkati issued a fatwa against Prime Minister Narendra Modi for demonetising 500 and 1000 rupees notes?Source:Source
Text:The Bharatiya Janata Party has demanded the arrest of an imam who issued a ‘fatwa’ against Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:41, 19 May 2017 (UTC).
Some wording (including this very hook) is way too close to the source. Compare "issued a fatwa against Prime Minister Narendra Modi" to "who issued a ‘fatwa’ against Prime Minister Narendra Modi" and "Barkati was accused of solemnising the marriage of a Muslim boy with a transgender girl" to "of solemnising the marriage of a boy with a transgender". Another issue is that the article has a quotation for "special prayers", but it would only be a true quotation if it said "special Osama prayers" because that is what the source exactly says. What does "citing that they were doing it from the British period" even mean? The biggest issue that I see here is that the entire article is negative things about the person. Are there not any positive things or alternative viewpoints? SL93 (talk) 03:04, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- I reworded the two sentences so for the hook, I propose the rewording of ALT1 ...that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi received a fatwa from Indian Imam Noor ur Rahman Barkati for demonitising 500 and 1000 rupees bank notes? SL93 (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
- @SL93: Thanks for the edits. I have made the other changes. I also would like to add "an Indian imam" to the hook:
- @SL93: Thanks for the edits. I have made the other changes. I also would like to add "an Indian imam" to the hook:
ALT2 ... that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi received a fatwa from an Indian imam Noor ur Rahman Barkati for demonetising 500 and 1000 rupees bank notes?
RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 12:57, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
- Note: while in the media it's often associated with violent threats, "fatwa" simply means an Islamic legal opinion, and "to receive a fatwa" means just to receive a legal opinion, for example "I receive a fatwa from Sheikh so and so that Muslims should not eat gelatin made of pork". I don't think this meaning is the intention here. HaEr48 (talk) 03:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Also, is there really no things about him that aren't negative? BLPs should normally not be this negative. SL93 (talk) 18:42, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- I accept that the claim about fatwa, that media interprets it as a threat. So new hook
- I accept that the claim about fatwa, that media interprets it as a threat. So new hook
ALT3 ... that the imam of Tipu Sultan Mosque in Kolkata, India, Noor ur Rahman Barkati is the second imam from his family?
@SL93:, I have searched but could not find anything except the one line appointment. These imams mainly gets involved in controversial comments, you can check Syed Ahmed Bukhari, the shahi imam of the Jama Masjid,Delhi. The negative statements about Barkati is well sourced, so I dont think there is any conlict. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 06:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Everything checks out and I assume good faith on the non-English references. ALT3 is accepted. SL93 (talk) 05:34, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, but no. As of now all but one sentence is negative material, and not very well presented negative material, either. This raises both BLP and neutrality concerns, and I for one am not willing to put it on the main page in this form. Vanamonde (talk) 04:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
