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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by sst✈ 08:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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Created by OluwaCurtis (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 2 August 2015 (UTC).

  • Passes article requirements: created and nominated on the same day, long enough, and has no major issues. Passes hook requirements: under 200 characters, interesting, cited in article, and neutrally written. Passes other requirements: QPQ verified, and no image used. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
  • The hook is a close paraphrase of the source. There are a few instances of close paraphrasing which need to be rewritten in your own words or put in quotes:
  • Source: For almost 20 years, the Pyrates were the only confraternity on Nigerian campuses.
  • Article: For almost 20 years, the Pyrates were the only confraternity on Nigerian campuses
  • Source: The mandate of the confraternity was to fight for human rights and social justice in Nigeria.
  • Article: The confraternity was created with the aim of fighting for human rights and social justice in Nigeria
  • Source: several members of the confraternity in Port Harcourt were arrested and detained for participating in an election boycott campaign.
  • Article: several members in Port Harcourt where detained in jail for participating in an election boycott campaign
  • Yoninah (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing. I will make amends ASAP. Regards! OluwaCurtis The King : talk to me 23:00, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

The source is not a reliable source but a common social network. Until a reliable source is provided to validate the claim in the hook will this qualify for a DYK. There is need to also take a closer look at the context of the article in its entirety for other problematic issues. I'm not sure User:Rainbow unicorn review this article at all. A fresh review is required. Wikic¤l¤gyt@lk to M£ 23:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I agree with User:Wikicology that the hook source is not a reliable source, and I removed it from the article. The source from Nigeria World is also not an RS; it is some kind of letter to the editor and should not be used to verify information about the subject. It's unclear to me why "Magnificent 7" does not appear in the source cited in Footnote 4.
  • I went through the entire article for content and context, reorganizing the presentation. I edited out some more close paraphrasing and added "citation needed" tags to information that did not appear in the sources given. I think it is important to add (after the lead) a short section, "Background", explaining what a confraternity is in Nigeria, with its aspects of cultism, crime, and government distrust. The link being given to confraternity is mostly about the use of the term in Roman Catholicism, and the paragraph about Nigerian confraternities in that article is brief and unsourced. Most readers will have no idea what kind of organization this is, and the article needs to fulfill NPOV by discussing the negative side of confraternities as well as the positive side. Update: I found a better link, Confraternities in Nigeria. Since this was the first confraternity, I think the Background is not necessary.
  • I would like to suggest a different hook:
  • ALT1: ... that the skull and crossbones logo of the National Association of Seadogs, a Nigerian confraternity, implies that its members are "men of danger"? Yoninah (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • OluwaCurtis The King are you planning on returning to this nomination or shall we close it? (Absolute No Lagging) Belle (talk) 01:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
  • OluwaCurtis, it has been another week, which makes it four weeks since Yoninah's review, and you have yet to make a single edit. At the moment, the "citation needed" template needs to be addressed, either by adding a source or removing uncited quoted material; Yoninah, what else is left to do before the nomination can be approved, aside from finding a new reviewer to check the hook you suggested? I don't want to call for that reviewer until everything else has been taken care of. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
* I found additional sources to clean up the cn tags, removed the Nigeria World non-RS, and added an inline cite for the Magnificent 7 detail. Since the nominator likes my ALT1, calling for a new reviewer to complete this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 19:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
  • I've presumed that Rainbow unicorn's check of the creation date and length are still valid, and focused on checking the article in its current for for policy compliance, and evaluating the hook.
    • I found a couple of places where quoted phrasing should have been cited but was not (the goal and mission statement) but as those were minor and easily fixed, I attributed them; I also made other minor edits to the article which OluwaCurtis may want to review as a guide to avoiding similar errors in future.
    • I'm satisfied with the article's inline citations and neutrality.
    • The ALT1 hook Yoninah suggested is cited only to a primary source, however, and I'm not sure that's proper for a hook. I'm also not convinced it's interesting enough, since any skull and crossbones indicates danger. Maybe the first hook should be re-written to only claim that Pyrates was the first Nigerian confraternity, since that claim is already cited to a secondary source in the article? —GrammarFascist contribstalk 16:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
GrammarFascist, thank you, should I relist it on the DYK portal? --OluwaCurtis »» (talk to me) 21:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT2 needs to be reviewed; I've struck ALT1 based on the recently posted objection. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:10, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
  • If I'm allowed to review a hook based so closely on my own suggestion, then it's short enough, interesting enough, neutral enough, and cited in the article. But I'm not clear on whether I am allowed. BlueMoonset or Yoninah, could you clarify? —GrammarFascist contribstalk 04:57, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, it is based on your wording, so another reviewer needs to sign off on this. Yoninah (talk) 09:47, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
  • DYK checklist template
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Passes DYK checklist.

  • Review Good to go! Meets core policies and guidelines, and in particular: is neutral; cites sources with inline citations; is free of close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations and plagiarism. DYK nomination was timely and article is easily long enough. Every paragraph is cited. Hook references are verified and cited. No copyright violations or too close paraphrasing. Earwig's copy violation detector: National Association of Sea Dogs report gives it a clean bill. Hook is hooky enough, I think, and relate directly to the essence of the article. It is interesting, decently neutral, and appropriately cited. QPQ done. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:10, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Yoninah. Thank you GrammarFascist. Thank you User:7&6=thirteen --OluwaCurtis »» (talk to me) 21:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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