Template:Did you know nominations/Mercedes O. Cubria
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: Withdrawn per author's request. --PFHLai (talk) 04:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Mercedes O. Cubria edit
- ... that Lt. Col. Mercedes O. Cubria (pictured), the first Cuban-born female officer in the United States Army, was posthumously inducted to the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame in 1988?
Created/expanded by Marine 69-71 (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 17:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I added a retouched image to Wikimedia "Mercedes Cubria mat.jpg"
OttawaAC (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- I have also fixed and uploaded a new version of the original picture which I placed in the article and have placed here, plus I have formatted the refs. Tony the Marine (talk) 02:45, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, Tony. It would be nice to get this on MainPage for Remembrance Day. --PFHLai (talk) 03:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Hook facts, length, and checks look OK, article was created and nominated within the proper time. AGF for offline sources. Image properly licensed. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, Tony. It would be nice to get this on MainPage for Remembrance Day. --PFHLai (talk) 03:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing concerns. Example: "Cubria was assigned to the U.S. Army Caribbean at Quarry Heights in the Panama Canal Zone, becoming the first woman to serve in this theater" vs "she was assigned to the U.S. Army Caribbean, Quarry Heights, Panama Canal Zone, becoming the first woman to serve in this theater". There are at least three other instances of near-identical passages from this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
- Rephrased as suggested. I am just wondering when I ask; If paraphrasing is a big enough issue to keep an article from making "DYK"? Wouldn't it be nice if these simple concerns were edited by the person who spotted them? I saw the same indentical concern with the "DYK" nomination of the Diego Archuleta article, which so happens that I created and that User:PFHLai nominated. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
- It's not exactly a simple issue; the example I offered was an example only, there are other problems, and it is generally more productive for the article author (who presumably has all the sources and maybe some background knowledge) to address them. In addition, that way the author learns not to create identical problems on other articles. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:58, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
- I assume the source in question is this one? That's a public-domain source and thus is not copyvio. However I have wordsmithed the article to remove the appearance of cut-and-pasting. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:05, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, Bushranger. I hope the wikiarticle is now good enough for Nikkimaria. --PFHLai (talk) 01:22, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- You're right, it's not copyvio, but it is plagiarism. That source is now fine, though it would be helpful to include publisher info for online sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- I still fail to comprehend how one can "plagarise" public-domain sources that are clearly marked as coming from the source, but that's a discussion for another time, another place, and I agree that DYK shouldn't feature PD C&P. Anyway, the article looks OK from here now. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:37, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- See case #3 in WP:PLAGFORM. It is not about bad faith but about proper attribution. This is the current policy, and thus disagreements should be directed there. Materialscientist (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- And now I understand. Thanks muchly. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:59, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- Note that when substantial PD text is being incorporated but not quoted, merely citing the source is not sufficient, but the (sadly underused) {{citation-attribution}} and {{source-attribution}} wrapper templates do the job just fine. Franamax (talk) 07:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- And now I understand. Thanks muchly. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:59, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- See case #3 in WP:PLAGFORM. It is not about bad faith but about proper attribution. This is the current policy, and thus disagreements should be directed there. Materialscientist (talk) 02:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- I still fail to comprehend how one can "plagarise" public-domain sources that are clearly marked as coming from the source, but that's a discussion for another time, another place, and I agree that DYK shouldn't feature PD C&P. Anyway, the article looks OK from here now. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:37, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- You're right, it's not copyvio, but it is plagiarism. That source is now fine, though it would be helpful to include publisher info for online sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:47, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- Copy editing performed. At the request of Tony the Marine, I just performed additional copy-editing on the Mercedes O. Cubria article. Please take a look. Nelsondenis248 (talk) 02:22, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- Withdrawn per author's request. --PFHLai (talk) 04:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)