- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by HaEr48 (talk) 05:13, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
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Melinda Paulsen edit
- ... that mezzo-soprano Melinda Paulsen was the first to record songs by Nadia Boulanger and Ethel Smyth? Source: several
- Reviewed: Erich Hoepner
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 11 April 2018 (UTC).
- I will review this.Zigzig20s (talk) 17:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- New enough (one week).
- Long enough.
- Needs more in-line references.
- To be continued...Zigzig20s (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- User:Gerda Arendt: You've reverted my edit because you think there isn't enough about her "early life", which is fair enough, but could you please in-line the reference at the end of each sentence? When you only add a reference at the end of the paragraph, nobody knows if the entire paragraph is referenced or only the last sentence.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not even in a FA would I do that ;) - We need them only at the end of the sentence(s) for the hook, - please check the rules. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- Right now it's impossible to know which reference tells us she graduated in 1988 and 1991 for example.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- You go to the next ref that comes, and find two, and it should be in both. - Only quotations require a citation right behind them, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- User:Gerda Arendt: I don't think the Bach Cantatas Website is a reliable source, is it? It looks like a personal fansite.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:28, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a fansite but the most detailed Website on the topic, quoted in books. In this article, it's there for readers who don't read German. It never supports a biographic fact alone. If you want to make life more difficult for people not reading German, put it to External links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- The other reference does not mention Swarthmore College, does it?Zigzig20s (talk) 13:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- You are right, it caters for German readers who won't know that name. Found another ref, - it's in her standard bio, + no contentious fact anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- This does not look like a reliable source either, and this one is not third-party, just an online store, isn't it?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- musicweb.international is highly respected (and we just had a hook about Julian podger, mentioning that same recording), and the other is a record publisher, and again: is there anything contentious about where she studied? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:57, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- This does not look like a reliable source either, and this one is not third-party, just an online store, isn't it?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:45, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- You are right, it caters for German readers who won't know that name. Found another ref, - it's in her standard bio, + no contentious fact anyway ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- The other reference does not mention Swarthmore College, does it?Zigzig20s (talk) 13:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- It's not a fansite but the most detailed Website on the topic, quoted in books. In this article, it's there for readers who don't read German. It never supports a biographic fact alone. If you want to make life more difficult for people not reading German, put it to External links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- User:Gerda Arendt: I don't think the Bach Cantatas Website is a reliable source, is it? It looks like a personal fansite.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:28, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- You go to the next ref that comes, and find two, and it should be in both. - Only quotations require a citation right behind them, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- Right now it's impossible to know which reference tells us she graduated in 1988 and 1991 for example.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:41, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- Not even in a FA would I do that ;) - We need them only at the end of the sentence(s) for the hook, - please check the rules. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- The hook is fine. The only problem is that it's cited with her faculty webpage, instead of a truly third-party source. Are there not more sources about this woman in newspapers or books?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:00, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- Relatively young opera singers are not normally covered in books. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:57, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- [1] --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- The "first recording" is supported my the recordings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
There's really a problem with references in this article. kuk-art.com is not an RS. Can you please find better references? I am happy to OK it once you have done that.Zigzig20s (talk) 01:19, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Do I understand right that you doubt the fact that she studied at Swarthmore College? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Just read what I wrote. kuk-art is not an RS. Can you not find one? It's OK to cite German newspapers if that's all you can find, as they would reliable third-party sources and most browsers will translate the text automatically.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, I just spent a few hours updating an article for Recent deaths. In comparison, this issue is of minor importance. I also have a GA nomination overdue. Please accept that it doesn't matter who says that she studied in Swarthmore if it's clear and uncontentious that she did, or wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Why doesn't her faculty webpage mention it? This is weird. It wouldn't be third party, but at least it would be reliable.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Read further up: "it caters for German readers who won't know that name". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
With Zigzig20s' permission, I'm finishing this review. I restored the Bach Cantatas ref, linked the "kuk-art.com" ref to its Wikipedia page, K&K Verlagsanstalt, and added another ref for her birthdate. The hook is now verified by two sources and cited inline. Here is a QPQ to move things along: Template:Did you know nominations/Erich Hoepner. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
- Read further up: "it caters for German readers who won't know that name". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Why doesn't her faculty webpage mention it? This is weird. It wouldn't be third party, but at least it would be reliable.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, I just spent a few hours updating an article for Recent deaths. In comparison, this issue is of minor importance. I also have a GA nomination overdue. Please accept that it doesn't matter who says that she studied in Swarthmore if it's clear and uncontentious that she did, or wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Just read what I wrote. kuk-art is not an RS. Can you not find one? It's OK to cite German newspapers if that's all you can find, as they would reliable third-party sources and most browsers will translate the text automatically.Zigzig20s (talk) 12:54, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- Do I understand right that you doubt the fact that she studied at Swarthmore College? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
