Template:Did you know nominations/MS Ravnaas, Arnt J. Mørland

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 09:31, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Arnt J. Mørland, MS Ravnaas (1931)

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• ... that Arnt J. Mørland's ship MS Ravnaas was sunk by Japanese aircraft the day after the Attack on Pearl Harbor, while on its way from Calcutta to San Francisco?

• ALT1:... that the cargo ship MS Ravnaas, owned by Arnt J. Mørland's company, was sunk by Japanese aircraft east of the Samar Island about the same time as the attack on Pearl Harbor?

• Reviewed: Corymbia intermedia

Created/expanded by Geschichte (talk), Oceanh (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 12:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

• Date and article length OK. Date of attack, however, is disputed (see [1]).--Hirolovesswords (talk) 05:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for the link, and for observing that the date of the bombing appears to be disputed! I am not sure whether this is a dispute of the actual time of the bombing, or confusion due to the International Date Line. Pearl Harbour is located east of the Date Line, while the sinking of Ravnaas presumably took place west of the Date Line. My first source (Taraldsen) says "about the same time as the P. H. attack". Need some more time to figure out how to resolve this – any help is appreciated. Probably best to avoid terms such as "day" or "date" in the hook. Oceanh (talk) 00:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

• The suggested ALT1 hook avoids the "day/date" issue. The time of the bombing of MS Ravnaas, taken from the official records (Hjeltnes 1997/1999 cites the "Nortraship maritime declaration, M/S Ravnaas, National Archives of Norway"), is reported as Monday morning, 8 December 1941. One of my sources says the bombing took place "on 7 December, ... about the same time as the Japanese directed a devastating attack on the American naval base in Pearl Harbour on Hawaii". If the bombing should have taken place on 7 December (and still west of the International Date Line), that would mean 20 hours before the Pearl Harbour attack. (I have seen no source mention this possibility.) The article is also modified. Oceanh (talk) 20:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

• Essentials from above comments have been incorporated in a note in the article MS Ravnaas, including saying that the official records report the date of sinking as 8 December, while some sailors' stories give the date as 7 December. The ALT1 hook is slightly modified. Oceanh (talk) 08:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

• Hook: ALT1 only. Hook fact checks out (AGF on Norwegian source), neutral, interesting.

Articles: Both long and new enough. Both well referenced. Paraphrasing looks okay for the first, AGF on the second.

Looks okay. AGF on Norwegian sources. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:05, 31 October 2011 (UTC)