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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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List of Antarctic churches edit

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Trinity church, King George Island, Antarctica
Trinity church, King George Island, Antarctica

Created by Found5dollar (talk). Self-nominated at 00:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • This list is new enough and has 1520 characters (234 words) of "readable prose" outside the tables. It is written in neutral style and the hook fact and other claims are supported by inline citations. Spot checks reveal no evidence of plagiarism or close paraphrasing. The hook is short and interesting (I had no idea there were any churches in Antarctica). The picture is suitably licenced (although it might be useful to have (Trinity church, King George Island pictured) rather than (sample pictured). QPQ still needed.— Rod talk 08:59, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
The main source messynessychic.com is a blog and not WP:RS which is used to source the quantity of seven churches on Antarctica. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:49, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the reviews. I am still waiting to find a hook that I feel comfortable reviewing for QPQ. I will post when I have competed one. I have added two refs for the seven number, one from Mashable[1], and one from Vice[2]. The vice one is problematic as it states 6 churches, but it helps clarify some of the Antarctic Churches not on Antarctica.Found5dollar (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the refs and QPQ.— Rod talk 08:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
That messynessychic.com being non-RS shouldn't be used at all in the article. This was just a passer-by comment. @Rodw: please don't wait for me to return back here. You may continue with your review after this issue is sorted out. And that "sample pictured" was added by me. You guys can change it as seems suitable. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:37, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder to return to this nomination. Do you think the Mashable article which is also used to support the claim in the hook counts as a reliable source? If so, the messynessychic one could be removed and the hook would still be supported.— Rod talk 15:42, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I removed the MessyNessyChic reference. I also updated the hook's (pictured) note to include which church is pictured.Found5dollar (talk) 03:59, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I think this now addresses the concerns & therefore "Good to Go".— Rod talk 18:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm not familiar with Mashable, but I would think you can find a list of these 7 churches in a reliable source. According to this page, one of the churches closed in 2015. Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, that church did not close. It just does not hold catholic masses anymore. It states this in the article you linked where it says "A military chaplaincy will offer interdenominational services and pastoral care". That is why it is listed on the wiki page as being a Non-denominal church, not a Catholic church. Also, if Mashable is not a reliable source than I am sure "Churchmilitant.com" is not one either. I found a new news source that lists the churches and sourced it to that.[3] The bigger issue is that this source has an additional church. According to them there are 8 churches on Antarctica proper. The ninth one they list is included in the list of antarctic churches not on Antarctica. I have updated the hook with this new information as cited.Found5dollar (talk) 03:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@Found5dollar: thank you, that new source looks good, and it is also the most current. The last thing I'm wondering is why you're calling them "churches" and not "chapels", since most of them are part of research stations? Yoninah (talk) 10:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, This article is about all free standing buildings on Antarctica that are dedicated for religious services. My understanding is that all free standing chapels are churches, but not all churches are chapels. A church is, according to our own wiki articles, "a building used for Christian religious activities, particularly worship services," while a chapel is "a religious place of fellowship, prayer and worship that is attached to a larger, often nonreligious institution..." By these definitions either term would be acceptable for the vast majority of the free standing structures in Antarctica used for christian worship services. The main issue that pushed me to use the term "church" in the title is that one of the buildings, Trinity Church, explicitly uses that term and, as it is not explicitly connected to the base it is located at, it doesn't meet the criteria of a chapel. If we called that article "list of Antarctic chapels" it would be incorrect because there is one explicit church in the mix, and the title "list of antarctic churches and chapels" is redundant because all of the structures on the list meet the requirements to be considered a church. Found5dollar (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks for the explanation. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Rodw. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 12:28, 20 January 2017 (UTC)s
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