- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
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Lipi
edit... that Lipi is a Sanskrit word that means writing script (pictured), and that a Buddhist text states Siddhartha (future Buddha) learnt 64 different scripts as a child at a school?
- ALT1:
... that Lipi means writing script in Sanskrit, and that a Buddhist text lists 64 scripts of ancient India with Brahmi (pictured) as number one? - Reviewed: Gender inequality in South Korea
- ALT1:
Created by Ms Sarah Welch (talk). Self-nominated at 13:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC).
- Age ok, length ok, well cited. Haven't checked for copyvios. Alternative hook:
alt2 ... that Buddhist tradition claims that there are 64 different lipi, or scripts, that have been used to write Sanskrit.- Stevage 13:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks @Stevage for the partial review. You can check for copyvio with this wiki tool. Do you have a source for the ALT2 hook you suggest? The Buddhist tradition claims that Siddhartha (future Buddha) learnt 64 different lipi at a school, but it does not state whether these 64 lipi were used for Sanskrit or a combination of Indian languages. Per DYK rules, the hook must be directly supported in a reliable source. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:32, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
- @Stevage: any other comments or questions to help complete this review? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:27, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks @Stevage for the partial review. You can check for copyvio with this wiki tool. Do you have a source for the ALT2 hook you suggest? The Buddhist tradition claims that Siddhartha (future Buddha) learnt 64 different lipi at a school, but it does not state whether these 64 lipi were used for Sanskrit or a combination of Indian languages. Per DYK rules, the hook must be directly supported in a reliable source. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:32, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Full review needed; previous reviewer has not returned. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:23, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Article is big enough and nominated on the day it was written. Copyvio check results in all clear. The original hook is not in the text - the first part is, but it does not say that Buddha learned 64 scripts. Hook alt1 does appear in the text and at 142 characters is short enough. alt1 has a reference. I cannot see the interior of the reference so AGF it is in there. The image is used and is public domain, so has a suitable license. QPQ performed. Good to go with alt1 (and not with any other hook so far). Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:29, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks @Graeme Bartlett. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 11:02, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
- Returning this to the nomination page for an alternative hook to be proposed, as per discussion at Prep 3 (Lipi). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Struck ALT1 hook, since apparently it was a problem; superseding tick icon so this isn't promoted by mistake while awaiting a new hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
- ALT3:
... that Lipi means writing script (pictured), and Siddhartha (future Buddha) mastered many Lipi at a school according to the Buddhist text Lalitavistara Sūtra? - ALT4:
... that Lipi means writing script, and as many as 64 Lipi such as the Brahmi script (pictured) are listed in ancient Indian texts and their Chinese translations?
- The discussion at Prep 3 (Lipi) stated "I fail to see the link between the first clause and the second clause" of the ALT1 hook. Proposing ALT3 and ALT4. @The Rambling Man:, @Black Kite: I have reviewed your comments, checked the sources, embedded quotes and clarified the article as well. How do these hooks look? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:33, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Both ALT3 and ALT4 are short enough. The hooks are in the article, with citations, but as before I cannot confirm from the sources. So Good to go with ALT3 or ALT4. I prefer ALT4 as it reads more smoothly. I suspect that a more compact hook saying the same thing could be devised too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Graeme Bartlett: I like ALT4 too. Am open to suggestions. Please note that Jainism texts list 18 Lipi, while Buddhist texts list 64, which is why there is "as many as" qualifier in that hook. A request for closer/promoter: please hold off till October 24, since there is unusual, new and welcome activity in progress in this article, that is improving the article. I feel it would be better if the article reaches a stable state, assuming the DYK is approved/promoted. If this wait is not possible, I accept withdrawing this nomination. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:34, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
1st hook discussion at WT:DYK
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I'm feeling particularly stupid this morning but I sadly fail to see the link between the first clause and the second clause of this hook. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Given the confusion from three different editors here, I suggest this is pulled and placed back in the nominations pool for a hook re-visit. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:07, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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2nd hook discussion at WT:DYK
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While my cold is almost better, I'm sorry, this has already been revisited once, but this hook still leaves me stumped. Can someone explain what this means and how it is interesting to a broad audience, per the requirements of DYK? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Why is "Lipi" capitalized? The sources used in the article (like [1] all seem to discuss "lipi", not "Lipi". And " and their Chinese translations?" is superfluous, if the 64 scripts are mentioned in the old Indian (better: Sanskrit) text then it doesn't really matter which translation also includes them. Fram (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
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New hook proposed:
- ALT5: ... that ancient Indian texts include as many as 64 different lipi? EdChem (talk) 14:52, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
- @EdChem / @Yoninah: It is short and crisp, and I am fine with it. Lipi is an uncommon word, therefore:
- ALT5a:
... that ancient Indian texts mention as many as 64 different writing scripts called lipi? - ALT5b:
... that ancient Indian texts mention as many as 64 different writing scripts, calling each a lipi?
- Not knowing what is Lipi could make it 'hookier' to some, but not others. I am ok either way. Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
If the hook gives away the clue, it's not a "hook". The DYK column is not meant to be a list of facts, but of tantalizing tidbits that motivate readers to click on them. If you're okay with ALT5, I will go ahead and approve that. I am approving it without the image, which will only give things away; this hook deserves the quirky (last) slot in the queue! ALT5 hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Graeme Bartlett. ALT5 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Not knowing what is Lipi could make it 'hookier' to some, but not others. I am ok either way. Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)