Template:Did you know nominations/La schiava in Bagdad
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
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La schiava in Bagdad
Rosalbina Caradori as Zora in 1827
... that a few years after the premiere of Pacini's opera La schiava in Bagdad, Rosalbina Caradori performed the title role of a slave girl in London (pictured)?Source: the image and others
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Created by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC).
Article creation date versus filing date within the seven-day window. Article length okay at 5090 B (891 words) readable prose size. Article neutrality and sourcing okay, no evident signs of copyvio. Image licensing is okay.
- Hook length okay and neutrality okay. Hook sourcing verified, but I would suggest adding the British Museum description of the print as a source in the article itself, since that's what establishes Madame Caradori's appearance in the London staging.
- However re clarity, when I read the hook the first time I thought the opera was about a slave in London itself, such as in Roman times. Maybe it should be rephrased for better clarity? Or maybe it's just me. Also re the date of 1827 given in the article, as I read the two sources given, the opera was actually premiered in London in 1826 (fn 2) or more specifically 30 December 1826 (fn 3).
- And hook interest is only fair. To me the interesting thing in reading about this opera is that it seems to have been very popular in its first 15 years of existence, being staged throughout Italy and in several other countries. But then it fell off the ends of the Earth, such that there are no known performances in the last 180 years and no recordings, even though the score and libretto still exist. So is it possible to make a hook along those lines?
- Finally, QPQ still needs to be done. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you, and little time right now. I hope Voce can clarify the London dates, and add that sourcing. - Likely the pic was made later than the London premiere, - this isn't digital on-the-spot imaging. The fact that an opera was first widely popular and then forgotten is nothing specific to this opera, also I tried to word something around the pretty pic. Hooks have been rejected for not mentioning what's pictured. I also believe that a performance in London includes "very popular", and readers will know that they never heard of that opera, possibly not even of the composer, - no need to say so.
- ALT1: ... that a few years after the premiere of Pacini's opera La schiava in Bagdad, Rosalbina Caradori performed in London the title role of a slave girl (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Arlington Hotel (Santa Barbara, California). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- QPQ now done. Pinging @Voceditenore re hook sourcing and article date issues. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Wasted Time R. Thanks for the date catch. The 1827 crept in because that was the date of the review. I've corrected it to December 1826. Apparently, shortly after the December 1826 premiere, Prince Frederick died and the theatres were closed for a month. Voceditenore (talk) 09:49, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Finally, QPQ still needs to be done. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
@Voceditenore: Thanks, interesting that the London theatres would shut down for that long due to the passing of a royal. Premiere date correction and source for Madame Caradori being in it both now done. This is good to go for DYK. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:21, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but I find the hook confusing. Do you mean:
- ALT1a: ... that a few years after Pacini's opera La schiava in Bagdad premiered in Turin, Rosalbina Caradori performed the title role of the slave girl (pictured) in London? Yoninah (talk) 20:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- As the reviewer, I found ALT0 confusing because at first I read London as being where the opera was set, not where it was performed. So that's why ALT1 was devised. ALT1a is really a variant of ALT0 but a little clearer to me due to the location of (pictured), so it's okay as far as I'm concerned. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- ALT1a is fine, but needs a tick, Wasted Time R. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- As the reviewer, I found ALT0 confusing because at first I read London as being where the opera was set, not where it was performed. So that's why ALT1 was devised. ALT1a is really a variant of ALT0 but a little clearer to me due to the location of (pictured), so it's okay as far as I'm concerned. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- Approval given for ALT1a. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
