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The result was: promoted by PFHLai (talk) 03:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
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Kjell Moe, Reidar Olsen
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... that Kjell Moe is the oldest footballer to make his debut for the Norwegian national team?
Created by Mentoz86 (talk). Self nominated at 12:19, 14 October 2013 (UTC).
Fine little article and interesting in-line sourced hook. New and long enough. Regarding sources which are online in a language I can read, I see no copyvio/close paraphrasing issues and every paragraph of article is sourced. My one question is that the sources are not traditionally reliable sources, but club sites and one site written by soccer enthusiasts. The texts appear very serious and reliable, but I would like nominator to comment on the practice of such sources in football/sport related articles, as he probably knows more about this than me. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are correct, those aren't what we in Wikipedia would call reliable sources, but I wouldn't add anything to an article if I thought it was incorrect. The ffksupporter.net is a somewhat fan-site, but incredible informative site about almost all former Fredrikstad-player. The fotballsonen.no site is also in a greyzone, though the author of this particular "news-article" is one of the people behind the statistics site RSSSF in Norway, but as the hook should be cited to a reliable source, I've found this one from Verdens Gang. That source mentions Reidar Olsen, as the second-oldest debutant - would you mind giving me a day or two to find out if I can make a decent article for him aswell, to make it a two-article hook? Mentoz86 (talk) 01:52, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Kjell Moe and Reidar Olsen, the two oldest footballers to make their debut for the Norwegian national team, made their debut in the same match?
- The second article are made, and I hope that this can be run as a two-article hook. I've also added a QPQ. The source from Verdens Gang are present in both articles, so the hook-fact are now supported by a reliable source. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
for ALT1 (double-hook). I noticed you followed the structure on the FFK site a bit closely in the Reidar Olsen article; in a very broad and strict definiton of close paraphrasing this may a problem so I changed one sentence related to bandy, but my removal may be questionable as well, so just add in again if you disagree with my choice. Also, you were somewhat close to close paraphrasing - very strictly interpreted - in the hook sentence cited to VG so I changed that a bit too. Regarding the source situation, we are as you say in a somewhat grey area ("serious blog" like situation) and I wonder if the FFK sites have taken some material from a NFF site (there is an external link to NFF, but that page is not working any longer). I am OK'ing this anyway, because I don't doubt that the site is serious and the information is accurate. Also, as capped players, notability isn't an issue despite lack of traditional reliable sources. Hook is sourced to a traditional reliable source (Norway's largest newspaper). But administrators who consider promotion to prep areas and queues will have to make the final call for whether they accept a bit non-traditional sources for the rest of the articles. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 19:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
- The second article are made, and I hope that this can be run as a two-article hook. I've also added a QPQ. The source from Verdens Gang are present in both articles, so the hook-fact are now supported by a reliable source. Mentoz86 (talk) 13:12, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
