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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BuySomeApples (talk) 08:19, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution

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  • Comment: article 1 moved to namespace on 7 June 2021, article 2 on 15 July 2021

Created by SiempreReconozco (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC).

  • SiempreReconozco, the nomination and hook for Kapampangan separatism is, unfortunately, completely ineligible for DYK at this time, having been nominated over a month too late. Should the article become a Good Article in the future, it can be renominated within seven days of being approved.
The nomination for Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution, on the other hand, was nominated in plenty of time, so that nomination can continue. I've removed the separatism article from most of this page; the page should not be moved/renamed even with the removal. I'll call for a reviewer below. In future, unless all the nominated articles can be included in the same hook, please do a separate nomination for each article.

The broad strokes of this article seem correct. However, there are a few issues that need addressing. First of all, not all of the article is cited, and many parts are cited to entire books. It would be preferable, even if sources are offline, for page numbers to be provided. I find this important here as there are potential neutrality issues with the tone and language. The article reads as a bit sensationalist at parts, and not always exactly in line with the sources. For example, "Kapampangans enlisted into the American army en masse" is supported by this article (although the link is not in the citation), which describe only soldiers from Macabebe, and while it gives numbers I am not sure if "en masse" is the right description. Phrases such as "establish peace and order" are also non-neutral at face value, and some parts of the text treat Pampanga as a thinking entity in itself. The core of the article seems good, so I am not failing this, but it needs a bit of work to get it into main-page shape. Best, CMD (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I have since edited the citations of books to refer to pages and paragraphs. Additionally, I have added supporting sources to the sentence in question. I have also added an explanatory sentence that "American sources describe them as the "Macabebe Scouts", despite coming from all over Pampanga". Lastly, I have edited some language to sound more neutral.SiempreReconozco (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey SiempreReconozco, that's great, although identifying specific paragraphs is unnecessary. However, there are a few areas that appear unsourced. The second paragraph of Background, and most of the Aftermath sections for example, do not have references attached. There are a couple of other stray bits of information, such as "Many of the latter from Macabebe patrolled the Pampanga River and Candaba Swamp to prevent rebel forces from reaching Pampanga" and "Kapampangan soldiers would capture Emilio Aguinaldo in Isabela and help American forces occupy the country". CMD (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

I have sourced the needed areas.SiempreReconozco (talk) 07:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi SiempreReconozco, looking at those new sources in Aftermath, they do not appear to be wp:reliable sources as needed by Wikipedia. If there are no sources, it would not hurt the article to simply remove those areas of text, as they are quite far removed from the Philippine revolution. On neutrality, does the Larkin source specifically use the word "terrorism", and if so could you provide a quote? CMD (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
  • The nominator hasn't edited in several weeks now. Perhaps Howard the Duck could take a look at the article and see if they could adopt it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
    • If this was a new article for DYK (not GA), this is the wrong article that one can nominate for, The article's scope is too broad and it can be hard to satisfy requests for edits... just like what happened here. Mostly for new article DYKs I nominate a specific person, organization or event, not something like this one. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
      • I see. Given the circumstances, unless another editor decides to adopt this, I'm marking it for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:51, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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