- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:23, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
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Joseph Jagger
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... that Joseph Jagger (pictured) "broke the bank at Monte Carlo"?- ALT1:... that Joseph Jagger (pictured) broke the bank at Monte Carlo?
- Reviewed: Wen Fong
Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk) and Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC).
Review
| General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Fletcher's book seems to be the most thoroughly researched but is not used for the inline citations. The other sources seem weaker and so details like the year of the bank-breaking isn't clear. Fletcher has a family heirloom with an inscription which is dated 1884 and says that he took four years to do this. I reckon we should be using the best source more to clarify such issues. - Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - The hook shouldn't link to the song because it seems unlikely that Jagger was the inspiration for the song. A better link would be to men who broke the bank at Monte Carlo, which explains the concept (and which also needs updating to include Jagger). I'll set this up as ALT1 for clarity.
| Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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| QPQ: Done. |
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It's a good story and I'm tempted to get Fletcher's book myself to read more. Perhaps we can share a copy at the meetup? Has someone ordered it yet? Andrew D. (talk) 21:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- I don't have Fletcher's book, and haven't ordered it. The main source for the article is the piece in The Times which was clearly drawn from Fletcher's book, so I took that to be the most authoritative source for the year 1881 as I thought she and The Times must be right. There are multiple earlier sources that give slightly different years for the event, including Brewers, but I took them all to be less reliable than the recent biography. We could certainly get the book and someone should but that might have to wait until the article is expanded to GA. As The Times clearly drew their article from Fletcher's book, I feel the sourcing is reasonable at this stage. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
My apologies if I am not using this page correctly. I have just edited the Joseph Jagger page as I am the author of a newly published biography of him. I have changed some points that are factually wrong according to my research and I have cited my book as the source of key facts rather than The Times journalist who interviewed me. I hope that does not infringe marketing policies? I wanted the source to be as accurate as possible but don't want it to seem like self-promotion. And thank you for the very nice comments here about my book!I hope that the changes are acceptable Anne C Fletcher (talk) 18:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)Anne Fletcher, author From the Mill to MOnte Carlo
Full review needed. Issues appear to have been resolved since 3 weeks ago and reviewer has not returned. VincentLUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 13:06, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
