- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 12:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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John Goldicutt edit
John Goldicutt, View in Rome, 1820
... that John Goldicutt's travels in Italy influenced his designs for buildings in London?
- Reviewed: Drag Me Down
- Comment: One day late, hope that's OK
Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 19 July 2015 (UTC).
Good topic, good sources, I don't mind the day late. (This is qpq for one in the same condition :) ). Where should pictured go? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
- How about this (I know the QPQ is outstanding)
- Alt 1:
... that John Goldicutt's drawings of Italy (View in Rome, pictured) influenced his designs for buildings in London? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2015 (UTC)- Can you word without the subject in the possessive form? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- I am not sure what you mean Gerda. Philafrenzy (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- It may be just me but I dislike "John Goldicutt's ...", would prefer something like "that John Goldicutt did/made/you name it". I particularly dislike it when (pictured) has to follow the possessive, which is not the case here. Try, - and do the qpq ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
- Alt 2:
... that drawings that John Goldicutt made in Italy (View in Rome, pictured), influenced his architecture in London?Philafrenzy (talk) 21:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)- Like that, qpq and we are done,
- QPQ has been done too. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
- Alt 1:
- How about this (I know the QPQ is outstanding)
- @Philafrenzy: It doesn't appear the fact that he was influenced directly by his drawings appears anywhere in the article. As a side note, since this wasn't included in the last review, this image is in the public domain and appears well in small sizes. ~ RobTalk 02:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for the image review. "He was influenced"? - His designs were influenced: "which was finished by George Gutch after Goldicutt's death. Goldicutt's original scheme was for a neo-classical design in yellow brick, influenced by his travels in Italy". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:16, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- ODNB (revised version) state "Goldicutt's designs were characterized by an elegant neo-classicism, reflecting his personal study of ancient remains." He studied the remains by drawing them was my understanding based on his skill as an architectural draughtsman as discussed in the article. How about:
- Alt3:
... that John Goldicutt's architecture in London was influenced by his study of ancient remains (View in Rome, pictured)?Philafrenzy (talk) 14:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)- As above:
ALT4: ... that the architecture in London designed by John Goldicutt was influenced by his study of ancient remains (example in Rome pictured)? - --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Philafrenzy and Gerda Arendt: We should probably try for the ideal of having his drawings discussed in the hook, given that's the image. Just needs a little tweak. What about:
- ALT5: ... that the architecture of John Goldicutt was influenced by his travels in Italy, where he made architectural drawings such as View in Rome (pictured)?
- I can't review that hook because I've proposed it, but Gerda Arendt could. ~ RobTalk 14:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- yes, elegant, prep builder can decide, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- I just pulled this as I just added it to a set using alt4 as there was no free picture slot. i.e. "the architecture in London designed by John Goldicutt was influenced by his study of ancient remains?" pulled as he doesnt appeared to have done much architecture (in London or elsewhere) or "studied ancient remains" according to article. At present it reads as if designed important architecture but it seems as if when checking each building that he was just very good at sketching. The one "design" mentioned was changed after his death. Surely this person should be known for his drawing. Victuallers (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Which was why my original hook was "that John Goldicutt's travels in Italy influenced his designs for buildings in London?" As you say, and as I say in the article, better at drawing and designing than getting things built. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Back to the question: where would pictured go in there? Word that as a new ALT please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Which was why my original hook was "that John Goldicutt's travels in Italy influenced his designs for buildings in London?" As you say, and as I say in the article, better at drawing and designing than getting things built. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is it a requirement that the hook mentions something he is "known for"? - I am open to suggestions - for example mention that specific house - but am surprised. I learned to rather find one thing to mention in a hook than a summary of the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- It is not a requirement, no. In fact, a quirky fact is generally better, so the reader can discover more when they click through. ALT5 contains the drawing and is fully sourced. I had assumed that one would be used, as it does emphasize the drawing. ALT4 is not appropriate due to not mentioning the drawing that is pictured in the fact. ~ RobTalk 01:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- In other words, ALT5 could been taken as is, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- Pretty much, yes. Restoring tick (for emphasis), as Victuallers has expressed no concerns with ALT5. Feel free to remove it if you have concerns about ALT5 that have not yet been expressed. As a side note, I feel very strongly that this image should be used, as it is of an exceptionally high quality. It's worth holding it back a day or two in order to use the image. ~ RobTalk 06:46, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- In other words, ALT5 could been taken as is, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- It is not a requirement, no. In fact, a quirky fact is generally better, so the reader can discover more when they click through. ALT5 contains the drawing and is fully sourced. I had assumed that one would be used, as it does emphasize the drawing. ALT4 is not appropriate due to not mentioning the drawing that is pictured in the fact. ~ RobTalk 01:00, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- I just pulled this as I just added it to a set using alt4 as there was no free picture slot. i.e. "the architecture in London designed by John Goldicutt was influenced by his study of ancient remains?" pulled as he doesnt appeared to have done much architecture (in London or elsewhere) or "studied ancient remains" according to article. At present it reads as if designed important architecture but it seems as if when checking each building that he was just very good at sketching. The one "design" mentioned was changed after his death. Surely this person should be known for his drawing. Victuallers (talk) 21:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- As above:
