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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

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Jean Delumeau

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  • ... that during the 2017 French presidential election, historian Jean Delumeau was one of many academics endorsing Emmanuel Macron before the latter's eventual victory? Source: ""Nous, universitaires et chercheurs, tenons à manifester notre soutien à Emmanuel Macron"". lemonde.fr. 26 April 2017.

5x expanded by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 03:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

Interesting life, on good sources, French sources acceped AGF. There are a few things that I'd like to see changed in the article. I might approve without, but let's see what we can do:
  • red links - nothing wrong with them, but if a person has an article in another Wikipedia we have a better option called interlanguage link. I made one for you, Philippe Wolff, - would you please do the same for others? If a person has no article in French or elsewhere, perhaps no link?
  • French names - names of institutions, French or not, don't need italics.
  • emeritus professor - that IS a former professor, so makes no sense to say in a sentence about him still being professor.
  • terms translated from French - "obtained his early education" sounds translated to me, and to what age would "early" go, and what then?
  • be specific - "several universities in North America, Europe and Asia" (is true for many academics and) is awfully general, could you name one example for each continent?
  • How do you feel about an infobox?
The hook: i believe we can safely assume that whoever doesn't know that Macron is President will not profit from reaing this article, and that we attract to him, not say there were others. How do you find these:
ALT2: ... that during the 2017 French presidential election, historian Jean Delumeau supported Emmanuel Macron?
ALT3: ... that during his presidential campaign, Emmanuel Macron's commitment to higher education and research earned him the support of historian Jean Delumeau?
You can play with them, - better to have the subject at the beginning, or the election will receive the clicks from our audience ;) - You can use the free room for saying something about his field or his awards - haven't seen a bio yet where the awards section was longer than the career section.
Thank you for the article! I have a similar one open, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: ALT2 it is. I'll get back to the infobox later if I feel like it. ミラP 14:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
ALT2 approved then, striking the others for clarity. I believe there's an infobox for academics. I'm just in the process of creating one, but I use "person" for all people ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but ... why is it hooky? I feel like we're peeking at his ballot. Don't you have something to say about his career or accomplishments? Yoninah (talk) 21:40, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
ALT4: ...that historian Jean Delumeau was Georges Dumézil's successor in the Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres?
ミラP 22:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Miraclepine: thank you, but I don't think readers outside France will know who Dumézil is. Too bad you don't have more personal information to develop a hook from. Yoninah (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: The article does say he is considered one of the major contributors to mythography.
ALT5: ...that Georges Dumézil, a major contributor to mythography, was succeeded in the Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres by historian Jean Delumeau?
ミラP 22:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Scratch that. I found this source that says Delumeau was in the 1970-1980?s one of the most prominent representatives of the so-called history of mentalities. Let me put it in the article and I'm ready for ALT6. ミラP 22:44, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
What I saw is that the personal things about him are all rather specifically French, so why not mention someone who is internationally known? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

You are too fast ;) - ALT6 will be more about Dumézil than Delumeau, - is that what you want? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

  • Looks like he did a few television series. If you find a better source than IMDB, that might lead to a good hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm not interested in tv. Another person died whose article I expanded. Sad start in the day. But I'm not interested in tv even when I'm happy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt and Yoninah: We'll try either ALT6 or:
ALT7: ...that French historian Jean Delumeau was "one of the most prominent representatives" in the history of mentalities? "Jean Delumeau, who held the chair of history of religious mentalities in the modern West in the Coll?ge de France for twenty years, was in the 1970-1980?s one of the most prominent representatives of the so-called history of mentalities."
It's been added to the article, and so should be ready for promotion. ミラP 16:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Do you have to put that in quotes? Couldn't you paraphrase it? Yoninah (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: This works, right? ミラP 00:22, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, that sounds fine, thanks. Gerda, could you review ALT8 please? Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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