Template:Did you know nominations/James May (vascular surgeon)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 01:12, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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James May (vascular surgeon)
- ... that micro-surgeon James May led the team that transplanted a patient's right hand onto his left arm? Source: "In a revolutionary surgical procedure, eight doctors at Massachusetts General Hospital have transferred a man's right hand, which he was unable to use because of arm damage, to replace his badly mangled left hand... The micro-surgeon who headed the surgical team, Dr James May, said that the patient now had a complete left hand which it was hoped he would soon have full use of." [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Calendargate
- Comment: QPQ review has been done now.
Moved to mainspace by Gronk Oz (talk). Self-nominated at 04:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/James May (vascular surgeon); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Reviewing
- Article is new enough (moved to Mainspace 18 Feb)
- Article is well written, neutral and supported by inline citations.
- Long enough
- Hook is short enough, correctly formatted and supported by inline citations.
- Earwig shows a 48.2% similarity with citation 2. The great majority of these are names and proper nouns. With a little rewording this %age could be reduced to a more acceptable number.
- QPQ done.
Happy to review again when Copyvio issue addressed.Papamac (talk) 10:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Iainmacintyre: Thanks for that. I had also noticed the Copyvio score, and I was not sure whether it needed changing since, as you say, the great majority of these are names and proper nouns. I will see where this can be reduced and get back to you.Gronk Oz (talk) 01:30, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Iainmacintyre: I have done a bit of rewording (which I think improved the article anyhow), and the CopyVio score is down to 23.7%. Nearly all of that is just the titles of journals and organizations. Please let me know whether you think that is acceptable now.Gronk Oz (talk) 07:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Gronk Oz: Yes, CopyVio issue now resolved. On rereading I spotted one other issue. The statement 'He introduced endovascular (minimally invasive) surgical techniques to Australia' in the intro and later in the article needs to be reworded. Endovascular techniques (arterial stents, caval filters etc) would have been introduced by radiologists in the 1960s. It would be more accurate to say somethink like 'pioneered the use of endovascular arterial grafts in Australia.' I think one or two of his keynote papers should be cited such as https://www.jvascsurg.org/article/0741-5214(93)90562-Z/pdf
I realise that his AC citation states 'pioneered the introduction of intraluminal methods' but even that isn't entirely accurate. What do you think? Papamac (talk) 09:47, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Iainmacintyre: thanks again, especially for the link. I took that comment from his obituary, which said that "Professor May was responsible for the introduction of endovascular surgery in Australia..." That was published by the College of Surgeons, but I appreciate that obituaries can sometimes present a generous interpretation of the facts. I don't understand medical history well enough to comment on its accuracy. I have been looking around articles like Vascular surgery to try to find a timeline, but no luck. I'm going to be very busy for the next couple of days so I might have to come back to it after that... Gronk Oz (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Iainmacintyre: I had a thought overnight. (Yes, it was a clean thought!) Since I can't cleanly determine the true timeline, how about I change the statement from being in Wikipedia's voice to attribute it instead. So I propose changing the lead to something more general like "He was key to the adoption of endovascular (minimally invasive) surgical techniques to Australia", and in the body it could say "The Royal Australian College of Surgeons said that he 'was responsible for the introduction of endovascular surgery in Australia...'" I don't want to limit it to just endovascular arterial grafts because his interview makes it clear there was much more than that. What do you think of that approach?Gronk Oz (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Gronk Oz: Thanks for that. I've watched the interview again and it is clear that what he introduced to Australia was the technique of endovascular arterial grafting. I think the RACS obit wording was not accurate and his entry should reflect that. However that view doesn't impact on your DYK which I think is good to go.
Papamac (talk) 21:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Gronk Oz: Thanks for that. I've watched the interview again and it is clear that what he introduced to Australia was the technique of endovascular arterial grafting. I think the RACS obit wording was not accurate and his entry should reflect that. However that view doesn't impact on your DYK which I think is good to go.
- @Iainmacintyre: I had a thought overnight. (Yes, it was a clean thought!) Since I can't cleanly determine the true timeline, how about I change the statement from being in Wikipedia's voice to attribute it instead. So I propose changing the lead to something more general like "He was key to the adoption of endovascular (minimally invasive) surgical techniques to Australia", and in the body it could say "The Royal Australian College of Surgeons said that he 'was responsible for the introduction of endovascular surgery in Australia...'" I don't want to limit it to just endovascular arterial grafts because his interview makes it clear there was much more than that. What do you think of that approach?Gronk Oz (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Iainmacintyre: thanks again, especially for the link. I took that comment from his obituary, which said that "Professor May was responsible for the introduction of endovascular surgery in Australia..." That was published by the College of Surgeons, but I appreciate that obituaries can sometimes present a generous interpretation of the facts. I don't understand medical history well enough to comment on its accuracy. I have been looking around articles like Vascular surgery to try to find a timeline, but no luck. I'm going to be very busy for the next couple of days so I might have to come back to it after that... Gronk Oz (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
@Iainmacintyre: Thanks for that! Watching that whole interview was quite a commitment. I have changed that part of the lede to "He introduced endovascular (minimally invasive) surgical techniques for arterial grafting to Australia." And in the body, I made the change to attribute that comment to RACS. But if it is not correct, we should still address it... just need to find a source that says so... Gronk Oz (talk) 13:14, 24 February 2024 (UTC)