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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Intangible Cultural Heritage of Palestine

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Traditional Palestinian dabke
Traditional Palestinian dabke

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 23:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Intangible Cultural Heritage of Palestine; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Comment, not a full review: the broad statement Occupying forces intentionally target Palestinian heritage, not supported by any reference and only one example (where the intentional aspect is not clear) is probably not WP:NPOV. --Broc (talk) 14:11, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
    • Reply Broc, the phrase is based on this sentence "The Israeli occupation has repeatedly targeted the SHH area causing damage to their heritage, which made the connection between tangible and intangible heritage difficult to document." from the article, Soliman, Mahmoud; Sulin, Laura; Karlıdağ-Dennis, Ecem (2022-01-02). "Building Capabilities of Youth Through Participatory Oral History Project: The South Hebron Hills, a Palestinian Case Study". Journal of Human Development and Capabilities. 23 (1): 116–135. However, you're correct that it should have more than one reference. Lajmmoore (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
@Lajmmoore: I tried to phrase a few statements in a more neutral way, reflecting what the sources you cite report, see my edit here. What I cannot assess is if the sources mentioned are WP:REPUTABLE sources. --Broc (talk) 16:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
@Broc: I think those changes are good, thank you for taking the time to look at them. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough. Hook short enough, interesting, and cited, though much of the table is cited in the body, which is acceptable per WP:REPCITE. No maintenance templates found, no neutrality issues found. QPQ done and image Creative Commons. The section beginning "Engraving on metals such as gold, silver and copper" is a direct copyvio from [1] - who copied who? And what makes ref #6 reliable?--Launchballer 10:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks Launchballer - in terms of the copyvio - I used that wording because that's how the listing itself describes the cultural activity - would it be OK to add quotation marks to make that clearer? Lajmmoore (talk) 13:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
  • & speaking to Middle East Monitor as a source, I checked the RS discussion and the consensus there seems to be that if you're using it for non-controversial content that is fine, and doesn't need attributing to the source inline. A similar discussion is at this DYK nom. Thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 13:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
I mean, the dabke stuff seems uncontroversial enough. Adding quotation marks would make it technically compliant, but I think it would look 'nicer' if it was reworded.--Launchballer 13:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Done Launchballer, with thanks! Lajmmoore (talk) 19:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
That wasn't the one I meant, but thank you for correcting that one. I meant the one that begins "Engraving on metals such as gold, silver and copper".--Launchballer 20:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Launchballer I think what happened is that Ferclopedio reverted the "engravings..." as it is the offical name for the nomination. I've now added the back-up option of quotation marks. Lajmmoore (talk) 21:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd rather avert an edit war if I can. Let's roll.--Launchballer 08:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Lajmmoore, is "folklore" the best word for hikaye? It doesn't appear to be used in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:08, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a note of caution. I considered promoting this hook to the lead slot but upon checking the photographer's contributions, I see a lot of copyvios uploaded to Commons. That stopped me. I recommend that this becomes a non-picture hook. Schwede66 07:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

  • The image must be used in the article. I suggest you pick one and then add it to both the article and the nomination. Ping me when done; I can look at promotion to prep. Schwede66 13:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Palestinian soap for sale (2016)
Palestinian soap for sale (2016)
Does the re-wording work for you AirshipJungleman29, how about the new image Schwede66? Lajmmoore (talk) 18:26, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
I think it will probably be better if it runs without the image, but otherwise all good. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:52, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Ramallah woman 15029vAnother option is to use this image, which is used in the article Schwede66? Lajmmoore (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The soap photo should be fine. I’m unconvinced that the Ramallah woman photo is PD in the US. That’s moot, however, if the main reviewer does not support this nomination to run as the lead hook. Schwede66 14:54, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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