Template:Did you know nominations/Indian Peace Commission

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Indian Peace Commission edit

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~~... that the Indian Peace Commission recommended that the US government move the Bureau of Indian Affairs from the Department of the Interior to the Department of War?~~

Source1 (secondary): "And, despite strong opposition from Commissioner Taylor, they voted to recommend the transfer of the Bureau of Indian Affairs to the War Department." in Oman, Kerry R. "The Beginning of the End: The Indian Peace Commission of 1867~1868". Great Plains Quarterly. Retrieved June 14, 2018 – via Digital Commons., page 46, first paragraph, right column
Source2 (primary): "Resolved, that in the opinion of this commission the Bureau of Indian Affairs should be transferred from the Department of the Interior to the Department of War." In, Bureau of Indian Affairs (1868). Annual Report of the Commissioner of Indian Affairs ... p. 372. Retrieved 18 June 2018.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Petra Stienen

Created by GreenMeansGo (talk). Self-nominated at 12:18, 14 June 2018 (UTC).

There are a number of images that could be used at commons:Category:Indian Peace Commission, all older than dirt, and most likely or definitely taken by Alexander Gardner (died 1882), but I have doubts about whether any of them would look right at such a small size. GMG ^talk 12:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Article - - new, long enough, well sourced and a spot check didn't turn up any copyright vios or close paraphrasing
Hook - - satisfies the criteria. I suggested a possible alternative on the talk page [1], but this one's fine and we can go with the editor's choice here.
QPQ -

Good, interesting, article.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:59, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this. It is a very fine article. The hook does it absolutely no justice. Would you consider writing something more juicy? You have plenty of information in the article. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Umm...well Yoninah...maybe I have more of an appreciation for late 19th century executive branch drama than your average person. I guess if I wanted to go super mega click bait, I could say ...that the Indian Peace Commission marked the beginning of a decade of war? The whole point is to emphasize the historical irony that by the end, Sherman and his war hawks had taken over, and the whole thing ended up being a failed "humanitarian" attempt at ethnocide in lieu of an official and explicit government policy of genocide. GMG ^talk 22:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: I really have nothing against the first hook. I just don't think it will get many clicks. The second hook is moving in the right direction, but has no context. What do you think about:
ALT2: ~~... that the Indian Peace Commission, established by the US Congress in 1867 to negotiate with and "civilize" hostile Indian tribes, ultimately gave way to a decade of war?~~ Yoninah (talk) 22:48, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Purely stylistic Yoninah, but I would go with ushered in a decade of war...also "Native American" because "Indian" is kindof a period term that's started to fall out of style in modernity. Actually, maybe even drop "hostile" and go with NatAm without a qualifier. "Hostile" was the stated intent, but they negotiated with people like the Navajo and Shoshone who weren't at war at all, so maybe that's giving Congress too much credit in a way that is "in world" from the perspective of the period US government. GMG ^talk 23:08, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: So you're okay with:
ALT3: ... that the Indian Peace Commission, established by the US Congress in 1867 to negotiate with and "civilize" Native American tribes, ultimately ushered in a decade of war? Yoninah (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
ALTn: ~~...that the Indian Peace Commission, established by the US Congress in 1867, to negotiate with and "civilize" Native Americans, ultimately ushered in a decade of war?~~ GMG ^talk 23:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: Sorry, the commas are confusing. And why did you remove "tribes"? (It sounds more 19th century.) Yoninah (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hmm...yeah...that's fine. We can go with ALT3. GMG ^talk 23:41, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh wait, but I would include "ultimately" as you originally did. GMG ^talk 23:42, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Calling on another reviewer to review ALT3. Pinging @Volunteer Marek:. Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I like ALT3 as well.Volunteer Marek (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek: could you review ALT3 and add an icon? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Adding the tick that Volunteer Marek implied so that this can progress. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)