- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 08:09, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hive Minds
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that the BBC4 replacement for Only Connect, Hive Minds, is produced by the same firm that makes CBBC's Friday Download?
Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 23:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC).
Article is sourced only to the broadcaster, the production company, and a single review. While in my heart I don't doubt the subject can meet Wikipedia's standards for notability, the article as presented does not demonstrate this with multiple reliable third-party sources. Hook fact is sourced only to production company's website. The bulk of the article is a restatement of the rules of the game show, sourced to an unspecified episode of the show (presumably the first one), making verification or checking for close paraphrasing essentially impossible for anybody without access to the episode. Also, the article has yet to be added to any categories. I have added italics to the names of television programs, per the MOS, to the hook and to the article as well as other formatting fixes. Finally, not to pile on, but the hook is bland. - Dravecky (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
- I always believed that any game show commission on this scale automatically met the requirements, though there are numerous articles on it on Google News. I'm not going to offer an alternative hook yet because I may find something more interesting in one of those articles. Also, not an unspecified episode - the article states that it first aired on 14 July, and the date of the episode cited is 14 July. I like to credit our readers with some intelligence.--Launchballer 12:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the swift work on categories and references. I'm still slightly uncomfortable with how much of the article is your personal observation and description of game play based on viewing a single episode. Perhaps the hook could involve the host, Fiona Bruce? Finding a properly-sourced and relevant fact about her should be relatively easy. - Dravecky (talk) 15:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
- I don't usually do this because the link will expire in less than four week's time, but watch it online and compare my notes with it and these notes by Alex McMillan of Bother's Bar. As for the hook:
- ALT1: ... that
Hive Minds's host Fiona Bruce's reciting of Madeleine Albright's quote that "there is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women" caused one reviewer to ask if there was a similar place for similarly boring quiz shows? - I've compressed it as much as I can; I haven't done a character count, and I don't think it's possible to get it below 200 characters.--Launchballer 21:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's way too long. I was thinking more along the lines of "ALT2: ... that
Hive Minds game show host Fiona Bruce also hosts Antiques Roadshow and Friday editions of BBC News at Ten?" or anything that would catch the reader's attention long enough to earn a click on your article. - Dravecky (talk) 18:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)- ALT3: ... that Hive Minds host Fiona Bruce also fronts the BBC News at Six, BBC News at Ten, Crimewatch, Call My Bluff and Antiques Roadshow? (Quite shamelessly ripped from the lede of Fiona Bruce, I hope they don't mind...)--Launchballer 10:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sure they won't, since you neatly avoided close paraphrasing, but you'll need to add these facts to the Hive Minds article and directly cite them. (I feel confident that the Fiona Bruce article may be plundered for on-point citations as well.) - Dravecky (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Disgusted by the fact that not one of her appearances have a source on her article. I found a reference on one of the articles that was dead that serves all of them, but between finding it and forming the reference I've forgotten where I got it from. (I'm 19, so that's really worrying...)--Launchballer 13:09, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sure they won't, since you neatly avoided close paraphrasing, but you'll need to add these facts to the Hive Minds article and directly cite them. (I feel confident that the Fiona Bruce article may be plundered for on-point citations as well.) - Dravecky (talk) 11:14, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that Hive Minds host Fiona Bruce also fronts the BBC News at Six, BBC News at Ten, Crimewatch, Call My Bluff and Antiques Roadshow? (Quite shamelessly ripped from the lede of Fiona Bruce, I hope they don't mind...)--Launchballer 10:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's way too long. I was thinking more along the lines of "ALT2: ... that
- Thanks for the swift work on categories and references. I'm still slightly uncomfortable with how much of the article is your personal observation and description of game play based on viewing a single episode. Perhaps the hook could involve the host, Fiona Bruce? Finding a properly-sourced and relevant fact about her should be relatively easy. - Dravecky (talk) 15:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
- I always believed that any game show commission on this scale automatically met the requirements, though there are numerous articles on it on Google News. I'm not going to offer an alternative hook yet because I may find something more interesting in one of those articles. Also, not an unspecified episode - the article states that it first aired on 14 July, and the date of the episode cited is 14 July. I like to credit our readers with some intelligence.--Launchballer 12:06, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
ALT3 is a winner (and properly sourced to the BBC) so it's good to go. I've struck the others, just to be sure. - Dravecky (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Apologies. I see from my form history that I did a QPQ check on "Lunchballer" and (unsurprisingly, in retrospect) zero hits. - Dravecky (talk) 22:12, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Disgusted by the fact that "Lunchballer" isn't a googlewhack, since I've only ever been called it once. Template:Did you know nominations/Skintern--Launchballer 22:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: please also comment on neutrality, close paraphrasing, and image licensing in your reviews. Earwig's Copyvio Detector is a great tool. Yoninah (talk) 09:55, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hmm, that tool suggests a 69% chance of a copyvio when all it's due to is the quotes in the critical reception. Better?--Launchballer 10:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're looking at. When text is quoted directly from the source, surrounded by quotation marks, it's not close paraphrasing. The article has a citations needed tag on it. Several paragraphs lack any cite at all, per DYK rules. Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
- Apologies, I thought my message five days ago had taken, apparently not. I did update my review to include neutrality, close paraphrasing and image licensing but that nomination is such a battlefield I'm washing my hands of it. I will happily do a different review if necessary.--Launchballer 15:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yoninah, are you satisfied with the submitted QPQ (which is indeed in a nomination that's a battlefield, and I don't blame Launchballer for not going back), or did you want a new one? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Normally I would accept a QPQ that has been largely completed but whose approval is being held up by one point. However, that QPQ is truly such a battleground and Launchballer's review lost somewhere in the shuffle that I would appreciate a different review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- Apologies, I thought my message five days ago had taken, apparently not. I did update my review to include neutrality, close paraphrasing and image licensing but that nomination is such a battlefield I'm washing my hands of it. I will happily do a different review if necessary.--Launchballer 15:47, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hmm, that tool suggests a 69% chance of a copyvio when all it's due to is the quotes in the critical reception. Better?--Launchballer 10:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Disgusted by the fact that "Lunchballer" isn't a googlewhack, since I've only ever been called it once. Template:Did you know nominations/Skintern--Launchballer 22:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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