Template:Did you know nominations/Her Humble Ministry

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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Her Humble Ministry edit

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A still from Her Humble Ministry (1911)

... that nuns rehabilitate Florence Lawrence in Her Humble Ministry (still pictured)?

ALT1: ... that Arthur V. Johnson portrays a "past master in porch-climbing, safe-blowing and highway robbery" in Her Humble Ministry?
Reviewed: Shamus: Case II

Created by 23W (talk). Self-nominated at 00:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC).

. The first hook is more or less cited, but Lawrence isn't the character in the film and no names are given for who plays whom. The second hook as it stands isn't cited, because it isn't clear that the thief played by Johnson is the one described. QPQ not yet done. Perhaps you could add the names of the characters in the film to make things clearer, improve the referencing, and/or tweak one or both hooks? Image is public domain, other criteria are met. Moonraker (talk) 04:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

The characters are anonymous in the film. Rabkin 1998 shorthandedly refers to the woman as Lawrence; Moving Picture World calls her "Flo" (cute). I thought the original hook was funny, but if it's too informal I have a few more:

ALT2: ... that the romantic drama film Her Humble Ministry (still pictured) stars Florence Lawrence as the main character and was directed by her spouse?
ALT3: ... that Her Humble Ministry (still pictured), featuring Florence Lawrence as a character rehabilitated by nuns, was called "one of the most wisely conducted films" with a religious motif?

23W 22:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, no, 23W, the two main characters are named in one of your own references, see here, as Freda Glodden and Jim Boggs. I do think we need basic details like that to be included in this article for it to meet the DYK standard. Please do ping me again when you are ready to proceed. Moonraker (talk) 01:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Moonraker: That's for The Angel of the Slums, a different Lubin film (see the heading). 23W 05:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay, 23W, I see there are two films in that panel, you are right. I'll look at this again later. Perhaps you wouldn't mind doing the QPQ before we go any further? Moonraker (talk) 05:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you very kindly for reviewing! 23W 05:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

@Moonraker: QPQ done. 23W 01:12, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

@23W: QPQ isn't quite there - would you mind adding a suitable DYK tick showing whether the hook is cited online or offline? Moonraker (talk) 02:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Added (whoops). 23W 03:36, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

As I also can't trace any character names for this film, I don't think that's a problem, as I did to begin with. Article is long enough, new enough, cited throughout, with no trace of copyvio found, and image is public domain. QPQ done. Citation for main hook accepted AGF, as the web site referenced is down. Citations for ALT2 and ALT3 also accepted AGF. Still not happy with ALT1, as I checked the reference and there was no definite connection between the quotation given and the thief played by Johnson. It seems a reasonable guess that it's the right thief, but for DYK the fact in the hook needs to be cited. Moonraker (talk) 06:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

@Moonraker: Neat – thanks again for reviewing! 23W 02:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)