- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Montanabw(talk) 17:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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Gibbs surround edit
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Side door at Wimpole Hall, by James Gibbs
- ... that the Gibbs surround is named after the architect James Gibbs, though he did not invent this style of framing a door or window?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Coates
- Comment: more tightly cropped version of the image in the article, which would be too small for DYK
5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 17:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC).
- ALT1 * ... that James Gibbs did not originate the Gibbs surround (pictured)? EEng 07:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- I don't like that, I must say. Perhaps it's an ENGVAR thing. I see no problem with "invent". I think you also need to say what it is. Johnbod (talk) 03:08, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- As experienced hookers know, sometimes there's more allure in not showing all the goods up front -- leaves the customer wondering what more is behind the click. EEng 04:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- Helpful article on significant topic but a bit too essay-like, making it harder for a reader who is likely to be either wanting to get a quick grip on the idea or to compare this design feature with other door treatments. I would like to see the article better structured with a clear, short lead containing the key points up front and some headings to give it structure and allow the reader to follow up on those key points. For example, I think the lead ought to include this from lower down: "It is named after the architect James Gibbs, who often used it and popularized it in England" and then develop that idea under a section called "Gibbs' work" or something like it. The first edition of The Penguin Dictionary of Architecture says (p.93) "Gibbs was the most influential London church architect of the early C18." This would be a good inclusion in the section on him. This book also points out (p.94) that the key feature of the Gibbs surround is "alternating large and small blocks of stone" and the word "alternating" is a real help in understanding the key point. (I added the 5th edition to the reference list in case it helps.) The word "alternating" is used lower down in the article but could helpfully be used in the lead. Similarly, "Though intended for masonry in stone, the motif can be executed in other materials, especially brick, often masked in stucco, wood, or just paint" could also be in the lead and the examples of variations given under a heading such as "Variations". There could also be a section (with heading) that collects the material on the spread of the feature, perhaps under a heading such as "Usage". I would also like to see the gallery centred (but that's just because I think it would look better). Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- Sigh! I have acted on some of these points, but have no intention of acting on others. Most WP short articles have far too many sections. The very first para already had two alternate/alternatings but I have added another. Now could somebody please actually do a DYK review. Johnbod (talk) 17:27, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
- Helpful article on significant topic but a bit too essay-like, making it harder for a reader who is likely to be either wanting to get a quick grip on the idea or to compare this design feature with other door treatments. I would like to see the article better structured with a clear, short lead containing the key points up front and some headings to give it structure and allow the reader to follow up on those key points. For example, I think the lead ought to include this from lower down: "It is named after the architect James Gibbs, who often used it and popularized it in England" and then develop that idea under a section called "Gibbs' work" or something like it. The first edition of The Penguin Dictionary of Architecture says (p.93) "Gibbs was the most influential London church architect of the early C18." This would be a good inclusion in the section on him. This book also points out (p.94) that the key feature of the Gibbs surround is "alternating large and small blocks of stone" and the word "alternating" is a real help in understanding the key point. (I added the 5th edition to the reference list in case it helps.) The word "alternating" is used lower down in the article but could helpfully be used in the lead. Similarly, "Though intended for masonry in stone, the motif can be executed in other materials, especially brick, often masked in stucco, wood, or just paint" could also be in the lead and the examples of variations given under a heading such as "Variations". There could also be a section (with heading) that collects the material on the spread of the feature, perhaps under a heading such as "Usage". I would also like to see the gallery centred (but that's just because I think it would look better). Whiteghost.ink (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
- As experienced hookers know, sometimes there's more allure in not showing all the goods up front -- leaves the customer wondering what more is behind the click. EEng 04:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
This article is a fivefold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The image is properly licensed and the hook fact properly cited. Either hook could be used, but the nominator prefers the original. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
