Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Putnam Burns

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Allen3 ^talk 08:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Insufficient recent expansion

Francis Putnam Burns edit

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... that the first piano in California was reportedly built by Francis Putnam Burns?

Created by Daderot (talk). Self-nominated at 17:17, 14 May 2016 (UTC).

Daderot, first and foremost, I want to thank you for writing this article -- it is a very nice addition to the Encyclopedia. Unfortunately, there are a few issues that need to be resolved before this nomination can be approved, but I am confident that with a little work, this article can be approved soon:

The DYK Rules state that article must be a minimum of 1500 characters in length. By my count, this article is about 400 characters short. Can you please expand the article so that it meets the length requirement?
The DYK Supplemental Rues (D2) also state that articles must use inline citations rather than general references. Can you please place inline citations in this article?
I am not sure that the fact asserted in the hook is actually true. A quick google search turns up sources that state pianos were brought to California before 1849 (see, e.g., this story about a piano that arrived in 1843). Can you please clarify this?
Can you please add the date of Mr. Burns' death to the article?
This is not relevant to the DYK criteria, but you should add project boxes on the talk page.

With respect to the other criteria, this article was created on March 14, there are no issues with neutrality, QPQ is not required (nominator has only one other DYK credit), and there are no images associated with this nomination. Please feel free to contact me if any of the above is unclear, and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:38, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi there - thank you for your kind words. I don't think I can add much more substance to the article (even the death date) as information seems scarce. And the piano thing was the only interesting point, so if you've found one before then.... Well, I suggest we not proceed any further! best wishes, Daderot (talk) 10:52, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@Daderot: I don't think that there is a tremendous amount of work that would need to be done with this article; all you need to do is add inline citations and a few additional sentences about events that happened in his life. For example, you could add some of the descriptions about his work in the Dolge book. That book also has some good material for potential hooks (you could say, for example, that Burns "impress[ed] his workmen with the idea that a piano is a work of art"). If you don't want to work on this article further, then that's fine too, but I certainly think it has potential and I don't think it will take much work to resolve the issues listed above. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello again - Notecardforfree, I'd like to thank you again for being so thoughtful and friendly - it's people like you that make Wikipedia a truly special undertaking. I'm about to set off for a lengthy vacation, but will see what I can do when I return. It's a distinctly minor article, but there's no reason it shouldn't be improved. with thanks again for your neighborly and very careful suggestions, Daderot (talk) 20:42, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Daderot returned to editing on June 27 and started a new article, but did not return to this one. Since it has been a month and a half, with regret, I'm going to mark this one for closure. If Daderot decides to start expanding this article before the nomination is closed, a post here could extend the review time for another week for it to achieve the 1500 prose character mark. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2016 (UTC)