Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Nath (Yebaw Tun Maung)
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Dr. Nath (Yebaw Tun Maung) edit
- ... that the principal of the Communist Party of Burma Medical School, Yebaw Tun Maung, was killed in an army attack in 1968?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 03:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC).
There is two ref to your claim in the article " Dr. Nath and a small group of followers managed to escape, but was killed by Army forces on November 11, 1968.". Ref [4] has no page given but I found this : "Dr. (Nath) [...] alias U Hla [...] escaped. The army column then followed them and on 11th November, Dr. (Nath) (Soe Win), alias Hla Thein and a woman unit commander, Ma Tin Hla, were killed." So no sign of the person named Amar Nath or Yebaw Tun Maung you gave was killed there. Although it's a bit consuing to have so many Nath-s and Hla-s. As for the second source [8] I couldn't search inside the book properly. Can you give me a quote from there? Also I suggest adding a quote to the article reference itself. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- The sources make clear that we are talking about the same person. Most refs refer to him as 'Dr. Nag/Naag/Nath' (Nag, I assume is a Burmese rendering of the Indian name Nath). Fleischmann, p. 416 makes it clear that Nag/Naag/Nath are the same. Marxist Miscellany is the ref that gives the name 'Amar Nath'. Considering that it's a source close to the subject (People's Publishing House was the official publisher of the Communist Party of India), I'd say that it lends credibility to the claim that his first name was Amar. This is also backed up by different Indian blogs (not cited, for WP:RS reasons). The detail of his death is matched in two different sources, independent from each other. Forward, p. 5, reads "Dr. Nag, Central Committee Member of the underground Burma Communist Party, and II followers were captured dead by the 77th Infantry Division on the Pegu Yomas in Pyu Township today. A unit of the 77th Division attacked and destroyed the BCP Central Medical School during the previous night, killing important cadres and followed up Dr. Nag and four followers vvho had escaped the initial attacks." --Soman (talk) (ping User:Lajbi) 00:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- What I have a problem with is that there are several persons with the name "Nath" that's why we have a full name added in parentheses to distuingish them. And none of the names in brackets match with Amar or Yebaw Tun Maung or U-Hla. It is verified that he escaped from the first ambush but it isn't that he died the following days. Your quote doesn't refer to him in his full name either just "Nag". And as I said multiple Naths were present like the one in my quote "Dr. (Nath) (Soe Win)". How do you tell them apart? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- On a sidenote : pings don't work in template articles like this one. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- There was only one "Dr. Nath" in the Communist Party of Burma, his primary party name was Tun Maung. If you compare the narrative on his death in refs 4 and 8, these clearly coincide. Soe Win is someone else, and '4' seems to use too many parentesis, I'd suggest just ignoring them (and read the sentence like "Dr. Nath, Soe Win alias Hla Thein...". Fleischmann, p. 396 clarifies that Dr. Nath and Soe Win are different people. --Soman (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I tried to go absolutely 100% on this and searched the web. It seems that you are correct and that there was only one Dr.Nag or Nath alias Yebaw Tun Maung who was a medical doctor (books GREAT GAME EAST and The Rise and Fall of the Communist Party of Burma (CPB) agree on this). Though I found no death date but now that we have the ID question out of the way I can rely on your first source so it's good to go. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 18:14, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- There was only one "Dr. Nath" in the Communist Party of Burma, his primary party name was Tun Maung. If you compare the narrative on his death in refs 4 and 8, these clearly coincide. Soe Win is someone else, and '4' seems to use too many parentesis, I'd suggest just ignoring them (and read the sentence like "Dr. Nath, Soe Win alias Hla Thein...". Fleischmann, p. 396 clarifies that Dr. Nath and Soe Win are different people. --Soman (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- On a sidenote : pings don't work in template articles like this one. Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- What I have a problem with is that there are several persons with the name "Nath" that's why we have a full name added in parentheses to distuingish them. And none of the names in brackets match with Amar or Yebaw Tun Maung or U-Hla. It is verified that he escaped from the first ambush but it isn't that he died the following days. Your quote doesn't refer to him in his full name either just "Nag". And as I said multiple Naths were present like the one in my quote "Dr. (Nath) (Soe Win)". How do you tell them apart? Lajbi Holla @ me • CP 15:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- The sources make clear that we are talking about the same person. Most refs refer to him as 'Dr. Nag/Naag/Nath' (Nag, I assume is a Burmese rendering of the Indian name Nath). Fleischmann, p. 416 makes it clear that Nag/Naag/Nath are the same. Marxist Miscellany is the ref that gives the name 'Amar Nath'. Considering that it's a source close to the subject (People's Publishing House was the official publisher of the Communist Party of India), I'd say that it lends credibility to the claim that his first name was Amar. This is also backed up by different Indian blogs (not cited, for WP:RS reasons). The detail of his death is matched in two different sources, independent from each other. Forward, p. 5, reads "Dr. Nag, Central Committee Member of the underground Burma Communist Party, and II followers were captured dead by the 77th Infantry Division on the Pegu Yomas in Pyu Township today. A unit of the 77th Division attacked and destroyed the BCP Central Medical School during the previous night, killing important cadres and followed up Dr. Nag and four followers vvho had escaped the initial attacks." --Soman (talk) (ping User:Lajbi) 00:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
