Template:Did you know nominations/Coccothrinax jamaicensis
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
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Coccothrinax jamaicensis
edit... that while Cuba and Hispaniola support diverse assemblages of Coccothrinax species, Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only member of the genus found in Jamaica?Source: "With so many species of Coccothrinax known from Cuba and Hispaniola, it is curious that only a single species occurs in Jamaica." (Read, Robert W. (1966). "Coccothrinax jamaicensis. The Jamaican Silver Thatch". Principes. 10: 133–141)
- Reviewed: Lydia Steier
5x expanded by Guettarda (talk). Self-nominated at 11:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC).
Interesting facts, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I am not yet happy with the hook. Can you say somewhere that it is a palm? - Just a genus name could by anything (to us non-experts), a fly or a grass. Also, "support diverse assemblages" sounds needlessly complicated, unless that's just my lack of English. Ideas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - no, you're absolutely right that it's clunky and clumsy. I wanted to say that Cuba has 39 species and Hispaniola has 11, but that's based on counting the number of species in Figure 1 of this article. I think that's legitimate and not OR, but I didn't want to ask too much at DYK. How do these look? Guettarda (talk) 16:10, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- I suggest you turn the hook around, saying first that Cj is the only on Jamaica, then that there are several on each Cuba and ... - You could also just compare to Cuba, focusing on Jamaica. - Better you word it, or some say I can't review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm really embarrassed - I added two alt hooks, but then the connection times out, and it looks like I only copied my comment, not the hooks. Guettarda (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1:
...that while there are 39 species of the palm Coccothrinax in Cuba and 11 in Hispaniola, Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only member of that genus found in Jamaica? - ALT2:
...that while Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only member of the genus that grows in Jamaica, the neighbour island of Cuba has 39 species of Coccothrinax? - ALT3:
...that while Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only member of the genus that grows in Jamaica, the neighbour islands of Cuba and Hispaniola each have many different species of Coccothrinax?- Thank you! - No reason to be embarassed, - you have no idea how often I think I saved, - and didn't. I like ALT2 and ALT3 much better, now please get "palm" somewhere early, and the genus name sooner than the very end, and consider an English word for genus if there is one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! Looking at this, "native to" is better than "grows in", since there's no way to know whether any other Coccothrinax exists in Jamaica (e.g., in cultivation).
- ALT4:
...that while Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only Coccothrinax species native to Jamaica, the neighbouring island of Cuba has 39 members of that genus of palm trees? - ALT5:
...that while the fan palm Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only Coccothrinax species native to Jamaica, the neighbouring island of Cuba has 39 species of Coccothrinax? - ALT6: ...that while the fan palm Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only Coccothrinax species native to Jamaica, the neighbouring island of Cuba has 39 native species?
- There's no common English alternative for genus, but I probably don't need to use the word at all. I think ALT6 is probably the most succinct. Guettarda (talk) 02:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! - No reason to be embarassed, - you have no idea how often I think I saved, - and didn't. I like ALT2 and ALT3 much better, now please get "palm" somewhere early, and the genus name sooner than the very end, and consider an English word for genus if there is one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- I suggest you turn the hook around, saying first that Cj is the only on Jamaica, then that there are several on each Cuba and ... - You could also just compare to Cuba, focusing on Jamaica. - Better you word it, or some say I can't review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt - no, you're absolutely right that it's clunky and clumsy. I wanted to say that Cuba has 39 species and Hispaniola has 11, but that's based on counting the number of species in Figure 1 of this article. I think that's legitimate and not OR, but I didn't want to ask too much at DYK. How do these look? Guettarda (talk) 16:10, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you! I agree but suggest this slight modification:
- ALT7: ...that the fan palm Coccothrinax jamaicensis is the only Coccothrinax species native to Jamaica, while 39 species grow on the neighbouring island of Cuba?
- I am not sure if we need links to Jamaica and Cuba, - we would not link to Spain and Lebanon. I don't think we need "native" twice.
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
