Template:Did you know nominations/Christmas in Australia and New Zealand
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by Fuebaey (talk) 13:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Christmas in Australia and New Zealand edit
- ... that television and radio advertising is illegal on Christmas Day in New Zealand?
Created by Chuq (talk). Self nominated at 13:14, 23 December 2014 (UTC).
I have issues with the referencing of the article. To begin with, the "Shared traditions" section. In the first paragraph, only the last sentence is cited – and is inaccurate, as there are none at 9pm. The second paragraph is unreferenced, and the third is almost fully unreferenced. The fourth paragraph is better sourced but still lacks citations in many places, and the fifth paragraph is fully unreferenced. In the Australia section: the initial four small paragraphs are basically unreferenced, other than the mention of Proclamation Day. In "Local traditions", the first paragraph is lacking in sources, the small second paragraph is not fully referenced (for example, the information about Boxing Day), the third is not well-cited, and the fourth is unreferenced. In the New Zealand section: I have more referencing issues. In the first paragraph, only the pōhutukawa-related information is referenced, and the second is totally unreferenced. However, the hook is verified in the third paragraph.
- The copyvio report is also interesting regarding this article.
- Also, most of this article appears to be copied from Christmas traditions. The lead roughly resembles the remaining section in that article. In the shared traditions section, it all appears to be from the main article except for a few minor additions, and paragraph "Families traditionally gather for" is mildly re-worded but from the main article. In the Australia section, the first paragraph comes from the remaining content in that article, from everything beyond "as novelties". Second paragraph copied. Fourth paragraph copied. Local traditions: first copied, second copied, third copied, fourth copied. New Zealand section: first para copied from remaining content in Christmas traditions article, second paragraph copied.
- Overall, I must reject this nomination, as most of the article is unreferenced, and most of it is copied from another article. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 15:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback. Yes, the content was transferred from Christmas traditions#Oceania since that particular section was becoming rather lengthy and in need of an update and expansion. I had left the lead paragraphs in the original article as they were, as a brief summary. This new article I had consolidated duplicate content, removed spam references and added new references as needed. I thought it was clear from the page history but I'll clarify this on the talk page to prevent further confusion.
- I've had a look at the copyvio and have checked past revisions of the Christmas traditions article. It appears the 3rd party site is copying from Wikipedia, and not the other way around, going by this revision which shows the current wording was developed gradually over time. As you note, it is still very much a work in progress. It was mainly the DYK hook which I thought was interesting/unusual enough to publish around Christmas time, but I'll work on improving the rest of the content. -- Chuq (talk) 11:53, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- Also, note that under DYK rules 1b and 2b, copied text from another article is not sufficient. Thine Antique Pen (talk) 18:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
