Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Chan (businessperson)
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The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 02:29, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues
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Charles Chan (businessman) edit
- ... that Singapore jeweller Charles Chan does not wear rings?
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Created by Bonkers The Clown (talk). Self nominated at 11:34, 19 August 2013 (UTC).
After a copyedit, the article has 1423 prose characters, not enough for DYK, so more will need to be added. (A bit more editing is probably in order as well.) I was a bit leery of there only being a single fact (that he didn't graduate from college) from FN2, making this effectively a single-source article (DYK generally requires multiple reliable sources). The article gives Charles's brother's name as Larry, presumably from FN1; however, FN2 gives the brother's name as Stanley, and says that Charles started the branch of Larry's Jewelry in Singapore with the aid of his father, not his wife (FN2 said Charles had his wife's support, which could be moral support or support by taking care of the home and son; perhaps FN1 is more clear in this regard, but the article just mentions the father as a "failed merchant later on in his life", which seems odd if he helped Charles establish Larry's in Singapore, where it seems to have been a success.
- In summary, a third source would be welcome, some work reconciling the two sources you already have would be helpful, and you might want to add something like "not even a wedding band" to the end of the hook to drive the point across. Assuming FN1 remains the only source for the ring story, the article should not be approved with anything but the AGF tick, because the source is offline and cannot be checked by the reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
- He had two brothers per the newspaper. The father only ran the jewellery business in Hong Kong; it was Charles and his wife who were in charge of the Singapore business. According to the Straits Times story, the father tried his hand at gold, and didn't find success. He did not do much to help Larrys' business. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
- Now 1610 chars. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:46, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
- In summary, a third source would be welcome, some work reconciling the two sources you already have would be helpful, and you might want to add something like "not even a wedding band" to the end of the hook to drive the point across. Assuming FN1 remains the only source for the ring story, the article should not be approved with anything but the AGF tick, because the source is offline and cannot be checked by the reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:30, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
- I've done a significant amount of revision, based on the Straits Times source, which I found an online link for. If Chan's parents were able to help Larry start the business, they can't have been completely unsuccessful, and Chan clearly says that they maintained their lifestyle: the story has very little in the way of detail. It is clear that they started Hong Kong, moved to Indonesia, and then returned due to the unrest, so I've modified the article accordingly. I think you would do well to incorporate more details from the other source, which is an interview with Charles from 2003. As it is, even expanded, I wouldn't approve what is effectively a single-sourced article when other sources are known and available and presumably reliable; as the rules say, "multiple sources are generally required", and I don't see why this should be an exception. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Nominator has not addressed outstanding issues, despite receiving a talk page reminder: this is still basically a single-sourced article, and as such fails the DYK requirement that "multiple sources are generally required". Closing review as unsuccessful, which I think is a shame. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
