- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
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Cash Trapped, The Alphabet Game edit
... that Cash Trapped, one of two summer replacements for The Chase (the other being Alphabetical), is based on an idea by The Chase host Bradley Walsh?
- ALT1:... that the opening episode of Cash Trapped contained an editing mistake which revealed its result early in the show?
- Reviewed: IWRG Guerra de Campeones
- Comment: The Alphabet Game does not currently exist, because Cash Trapped has a two-week run and then Alphabetical has a two-week run. I may start the article in the meantime, most likely in userspace, but there isn't enough content to warrant a 1,500 character article for it yet and if I waited two weeks to create the nomination, it'd fall foul of the five-day limit. In addition, Mogomaniac edited the article four minutes after I hit 'save', so it's likely that the creation of that article couldn't have waited.
Created by Launchballer (talk) and Mogomaniac (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 13:22, 2 August 2016 (UTC).
- Review of The Alphabet Game
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No issues found with article, ready for human review.
- ✓ This article is new and was created on 21:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- ✓ This article meets the DYK criteria at 1904 characters
- ✓ All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
- ✓ This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
- ✓ A copyright violation is unlikely according to automated metrics (0.0% confidence; confirm)
- Note to reviewers: There is low confidence in this automated metric, please manually verify that there is no copyright infringement or close paraphrasing. Note that this number may be inflated due to cited quotes and titles which do not constitute a copyright violation.
- Review of Cash Trapped
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Some issues found.
- ✓ This article is new and was created on 17:19, 01 August 2016 (UTC)
- ✓ This article meets the DYK criteria at 4142 characters
- ✗ Paragraphs [3] (In ... time.),[4] (If ... episode.) in this article lack a citation.
- ✓ This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
- ? A copyright violation is suspected by an automated tool, with 44.4% confidence. (confirm)
- Note to reviewers: There is low confidence in this automated metric, please manually verify that there is no copyright infringement or close paraphrasing. Note that this number may be inflated due to cited quotes and titles which do not constitute a copyright violation.
- General comments
• Some overall issues detected
- ✓ The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length for 2 nominations at 144 characters (115 after subtracting extra links)
- ✓ The hook ALT1 is an appropriate length for 2 nominations at 117 characters (88 after subtracting extra links)
- ✗ Launchballer has more than 5 DYK credits. 2 QPQ reviews are required for this nomination.
Automatically reviewed by DYKReviewBot. This is not a substitute for a human review. Please report any issues with the bot. --DYKReviewBot (report bugs) 19:42, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
I cannot find the rational between this joint hook. Each of the two articles might qualify for DYK in their own right, but why are they being combined in a joint nomination? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- I had intended that Alphabetical be a section in The Alphabet Game after reading that Alphabetical was modeled after Pasapalabra which (apparently) is based on The Alphabet Game. However, when I did that, the Alphabetical stuff was waltzed over to a separate article almost immediately. I'll clear up this mess a bit later on.--Launchballer 05:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Right, here's what's happening. Alphabetical (game show) is a split from The Alphabet Game, so should still count.
- ALT2:
... that Cash Trapped and Alphabetical, the latter based on Pasapalabra which in turn was based on The Alphabet Game, were summer replacements for The Chase?That's 157 characters according to DYKcheck, but feel free to swizzle it round as reads best.--Launchballer 10:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- ALT2:
- Right, here's what's happening. Alphabetical (game show) is a split from The Alphabet Game, so should still count.
- I had intended that Alphabetical be a section in The Alphabet Game after reading that Alphabetical was modeled after Pasapalabra which (apparently) is based on The Alphabet Game. However, when I did that, the Alphabetical stuff was waltzed over to a separate article almost immediately. I'll clear up this mess a bit later on.--Launchballer 05:42, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- ALT0 fails the "interesting" requirement, IMO. Who cares whose idea it was? EEng 18:36, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
- Please see the above hook. I maintain Cash Trapped being devised by the presenter of the show it was a summer replacement for is interesting, but there's a replacement hook above.--Launchballer 10:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
You will need to do a bit more work before this gets anywhere. For example "The Alphabet Game" is not mentioned in either article, and the fact that "Alphabetical" was a summer replacement for "The Chase" is not mentioned, nor in fact is this mentioned for "Cash Trapped" either. You could consider making this a single article nomination for "Cash Trapped", which is a much better/more complete article than the other. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:28, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
These two articles seem to qualify for DYK on the grounds of length and newness. The articles are neutral and do not seem to have copyright issues. ALT1 only referred to one article and I have struck it. Despite EEng's comments, I find the original hook fairly interesting, and prefer it to ALT2 which is technically correct but clunky. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:24, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Eh, what do you want to do about The Alphabet Game? I was hoping to nominate that as well.--Launchballer 14:22, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Please see the above hook. I maintain Cash Trapped being devised by the presenter of the show it was a summer replacement for is interesting, but there's a replacement hook above.--Launchballer 10:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Launchballer, I have struck the original hook, which clearly violates WP:DYKSG#C9:
No parentheses in the hook unless absolutely unavoidable
. (The (pictured) for the lead hook is the sole exception to this rule.) C9 makes sense, too: if you're doing what's effectively an aside, the hook becomes less compelling. The hooks also failed to italicize the names of the various television shows, so it's surprising they were approved without them being fixed. (I just italicized five show names in the surviving ALT2, though it needs revising if it is to be used—I agree with Cwmhiraeth that it is clunky.) Unfortunately, as is true of most of Launchballer's game articles, the sourcing for the bulk of the article is primary, and seems to involve Launchballer viewing videos and transcribing his interpretation of the format: that's always struck me as original research absent a secondary source describing the game. I frankly found myself at sea at a number of points during the Alphabetical Format paragraph. The Cash Trapped Format section has two unsourced paragraphs; unlike Alphabetical, it does have a trio of reviews that might serve as secondary sources for format details. The Alphabet Game similarly uses almost entirely primary sources except for the Spanish ones having to do with Pasapalabra, but I don't believe those are represented accurately: so far as I can tell, based on Google Translate, Pasapalabra was a pre-existing game show that was retooled based on The Alphabet Game back in 2007, and while there was a judgment in ITV's favor in the suit, Telecinco was appealing the ruling as of 2014, so to say ITV successfully sued for 17 million euros is premature based on the supplied sources. More important, if I'm reading this correctly, ITV is suing for unpaid licensing fees, not plagiarism, and Alphabetical is based on The Alphabet Game but incorporating Pasapalabra's "famous finale". At the moment, this nomination is far from ready for promotion. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:07, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well let's see, I was trying to move this nomination on because it had been languishing too long. I know nothing about gameshows and am admonished by BlueMoonset for getting things wrong. I wasn't aware this was a three article nomination and I did not review the Alphabet Game. There are other nominations where it is clear what articles are included and where people have done the correct number of QPQs and my enthusiasm for continuing this review is low. However, if you write a decent new hook, do two more QPQs and attend to the things Bluemoonset mentions, we might get there in the end. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:30, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- Absent a reliable secondary source - UKGameshows.com tends to contain the details (in this case for Cash Trapped and Alphabetical, but not The Alphabet Game), but just falls short of being a reliable source. I've done most of it but I'm falling asleep here - try the following hook, but anything else can wait until the morning.
- ALT3:
... that the two summer replacements for The Chase were Cash Trapped and Alphabetical, the latter taking its end game from a retooling of The Alphabet Game- Launchballer, please let us know when you've finished up with all that still needs doing. However, I don't find the ALT3 hook very interesting: two shows being summer replacements for a third. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
This has been sitting here since September 14; there are still two QPQs outstanding, there has been no response to a ping over eleven days ago, and the assertion in ALT2 and ALT3 has been pulled from Alphabetical (game show) because (according to the edit summary) that the ending comes from an Italian version of the show, not the Spanish one given. Alphabetical also has a single secondary source about the show being picked up and primary sources for everything else; The Alphabet Game is almost entirely primary sources except for that secondary source about Alphabetical being picked up and two about a non-payment suit for a much later Spanish knock-off of the show. There is a chance that Cash Trapped might be able to survive on its own with ALT1—I haven't checked the sourcing, beyond noting that there are a few secondary sources listed (though still a minority of them)—but the other two articles have too many problems. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- Launchballer, please let us know when you've finished up with all that still needs doing. However, I don't find the ALT3 hook very interesting: two shows being summer replacements for a third. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Well let's see, I was trying to move this nomination on because it had been languishing too long. I know nothing about gameshows and am admonished by BlueMoonset for getting things wrong. I wasn't aware this was a three article nomination and I did not review the Alphabet Game. There are other nominations where it is clear what articles are included and where people have done the correct number of QPQs and my enthusiasm for continuing this review is low. However, if you write a decent new hook, do two more QPQs and attend to the things Bluemoonset mentions, we might get there in the end. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:30, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, both Alphabetical and The Alphabet Game have been dropped from the nomination, which leaves Cash Trapped. I've unstruck ALT1 (which you only struck because it only covered the one show) and fixed its formatting; can you please recheck this nomination? (I notice above that you did say that Launchballer should consider making Cash Trapped the sole nominee...) Many thanks. Launchballer, I hope your father is doing much better now. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
- Approving ALT1 for the single article "Cash Trapped". The hook facts have an inline citation and the other DYK criteria were already met. I changed the hook from "the start of the show" to "early in the show" because the source does not specify the precise point at which the error occurred. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:39, 5 October 2016 (UTC)