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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 06:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Caludon Castle edit
- ... that a grey sandstone wall (pictured) is all that remains of the pre-Norman Caludon Castle in Coventry?
Created/expanded by HJ Mitchell (talk). Self nom at 01:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Reviewed: United States v. More.
Date, size, sources, image copyright check out. A well-done article, however I have a problem with the hook: the article states that the castle is a 14th-century structure ("rebuilt as a castle in 1305"), that the remains date from the mid-14th century reconstruction, and that prior to this there was a "house" or "manor" on the site, which in turn is clearly attested only since the 13th century. This is not the same as saying that the castle itself is pre-Norman. The hook should be rephrased accordingly. Constantine ✍ 18:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- Well the site is pre-Norman, and there have been several buildings there over the centuries, probably built from pretty much the same bricks. It could be rephrased as "is the only surviving trace of a pre-Norman site" or some such, but that's much less hook-y, and doesn't convey nearly as well that the most interesting thing about the place is the representation of c.1,000 years of history in that wall fragment. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- The site is pre-Norman, but not the castle. "... that a grey sandstone wall (pictured) all that remains of the 14th-century Caludon Castle in Coventry?" would be OK, or "... that a grey sandstone wall (pictured) is all that remains of the Caludon Castle in Coventry, whose history stretches back to pre-Norman times?", but the present hook is misleading. Constantine ✍ 05:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think it's misleading; it's just overly condensed, but I can see your point. Your second suggestion works, though. Just without the definite article—it's Caludon Castle, not the Caludon Castle (rather like Buckingham Palace isn't "the Buckingham Palace"). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Great! Then it's
all go for ALT1 "... that a grey sandstone wall (pictured) is all that remains of Caludon Castle in Coventry, whose history stretches back to pre-Norman times?" Constantine ✍ 17:39, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks very much! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Great! Then it's
- I don't think it's misleading; it's just overly condensed, but I can see your point. Your second suggestion works, though. Just without the definite article—it's Caludon Castle, not the Caludon Castle (rather like Buckingham Palace isn't "the Buckingham Palace"). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:15, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- The site is pre-Norman, but not the castle. "... that a grey sandstone wall (pictured) all that remains of the 14th-century Caludon Castle in Coventry?" would be OK, or "... that a grey sandstone wall (pictured) is all that remains of the Caludon Castle in Coventry, whose history stretches back to pre-Norman times?", but the present hook is misleading. Constantine ✍ 05:21, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Well the site is pre-Norman, and there have been several buildings there over the centuries, probably built from pretty much the same bricks. It could be rephrased as "is the only surviving trace of a pre-Norman site" or some such, but that's much less hook-y, and doesn't convey nearly as well that the most interesting thing about the place is the representation of c.1,000 years of history in that wall fragment. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
