Template:Did you know nominations/Bête

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Bête

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The suit of Spades in Bête follows the unusual ranking used in Écarté

• ... that the historical French pastime of la Bête, originally called l'Homme, was the first card game to use the concept of bidding?
  Source: "The adoption of bidding into Triomphe occurred during the 17th century to produce a game called at first l'Homme ("Man") and subsequently la Bête (German Labet, Dutch LaBate, English Beast). The former title shows its origin to lie with the 16th-century Spanish game of Hombre (English and French Ombre)." ("Five-Trick Trump Games" at www.parlettgames.uk.)
  • ALT1:... that the historical French card game of la Bête has its origins in 16th-century Spanish Ombre and was created by introducing the concept of bidding into Triomphe?
    Source: as above

• Reviewed: Wächter (Anatol)

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC).

• Comment. I've rewritten the hook to align better with Parlett's actual description. Bermicourt (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

• This article is new enough and long enough, the article is neutral and the image is properly licensed. However, the hook states that the game has its origin in Ombre while the article only states that it may have done so. Another problem is that the sentence "The adoption of bidding into Triomphe occurred during the 17th century to produce a game called at first l'Homme ("Man") and subsequently la Bête (German Labet, Dutch LaBate, English Beast)." appears to be identical to a sentence in this source. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

• Issues addressed. I've reworded that section to better reflect the sources, but also rewritten the sentence mentioned and cited it anyway. Bermicourt (talk) 16:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you. The ALT1 hook facts are now cited inline, and this nomination is good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:11, 19 June 2019 (UTC)