Template:Did you know nominations/Austro-Italian ironclad arms race
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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Austro-Italian ironclad arms race edit
The Battle of Lissa on 20 July, 1866 by Alexander Kircher.
- ... that the Austro-Italian ironclad arms race led to the Battle of Lissa (pictured), the first naval engagement between multiple armored warships in history? Source: (Sondhaus 1989 p. 258 "The Battle of Lissa attracted a great deal of attention from Tegetthoff's contemporaries. As the first action ever fought between fleets of ironclad warships, it has been given its due by naval historians ever since.")
- ALT1:... that the head of the Austrian Navy during the Austro-Italian ironclad arms race was the future Emperor of Mexico? Source: (Sondhaus 1989 p. 181 "He [Ferdiand Max] was the most gifted leader the navy had ever had, or ever would have. p. 209 "Ferdinand Max...personally ordered two armored screw frigates to be built in Trieste. THe pair of ironclads were a driect response to the two armored corvettes Cavour had ordered in Toulon.")
- Reviewed: SS Yarmouth
- Comment: This was a long article in the making! I've been working on it over at my sandbox page since the end of May. I've finally got it where I want it to be though and just moved it over to the main space. Please note that I can provide other hooks or citations for them as necessary. The ironclad arms race between Italy and Austria-Hungary a very long and complex topic that took place over some 20 years. NOTE: Second hook could be a good April 1 DKY.--White Shadows Let’s Talk 03:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Moved to mainspace by White Shadows (talk). Self-nominated at 03:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC).
The article is long enough (by several nautical miles), both hooks are interesting and cited (AGF on offline sources). The article is within policy (no copyright issues, cited inline, neutral) and new (was moved from userspace sandbox recently). QPQ is done. My only concern is about the image. Based on the artist's death date, it's certainly in the public domain in Germany. I'm less certain about public domain in the U.S. because there is no creation and/or publication date for the work (and so there are associated URAA issues). It would also be helpful if you could clarify if the image was only intended for the first hook by including a "(pictured)" note or if it is intended for both. In either case, by looking at associated articles, I think there are probably some other nice paintings of the battle. IronGargoyle (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review! The image is just for the first hook only. I can assure you it is in the PD in the US, otherwise it wouldn't be on Commons. Furthermore, the author died well over 75 years ago.--White Shadows Let’s Talk 01:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
- Just because it's on Commons doesn't mean it's in the public domain. A fair amount of stuff on Commons falls through the cracks. I do think this painting is most likely in the public domain in the U.S. (if for no other reason than it makes sense that the painting was created contemporaneously with the battle). I just want to caution you that there are likely admins who take a stricter view of the precautionary principle than I do and would potentially remove this article and its image from the lead slot if that is where it ends up. An image like File:Soerensen Seeschlacht bei Lissa 1866 Rammstoss.jpg would seem to avoid this problem, however (since we have a creation date in the 1800s). IronGargoyle (talk) 20:23, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
- But common-sense dictates it has to be PD in the US because the author died over 75 years ago. I don't see how it would be copyrighted in that case. US law generally states that a work is copyrighted for the 70 years after the life of the author.--White Shadows Let’s Talk 21:01, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
- Common sense and copyright law don't go well together. It gets complicated when works are first published outside of the United States (see chart here). That being said, I think I've found a German source which puts the date of the work to 1918 [1], so this is good to go.
IronGargoyle (talk) 23:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the tip and I very much appreciate that!—White Shadows Let’s Talk 01:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Common sense and copyright law don't go well together. It gets complicated when works are first published outside of the United States (see chart here). That being said, I think I've found a German source which puts the date of the work to 1918 [1], so this is good to go.
