Template:Did you know nominations/Alcyonium coralloides
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 13:02, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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Alcyonium coralloides, Leptogorgia sarmentosa, Eunicella singularis edit
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- ... that false coral sometimes overgrows sea fans such as Leptogorgia sarmentosa (as pictured here) or Eunicella singularis?
- ALT1:... that sea fans such as Leptogorgia sarmentosa and Eunicella singularis are sometimes overgrown by false coral (as pictured here)?
- Reviewed: Swift Lathers
- Comment: I reviewed Swift Lathers, a three-article hook
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nominated at 13:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC).
Articles are all long enough and new enough. The articles are referenced and the offline/paywalled hooks are taken agf. Do any of the articles mention the specific species interacting, or is the hook based on the image captions?--Kevmin § 21:54, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
- This source states "En Méditerranée son biotope est le même que celui des gorgones qui lui servent de support tel que celles du genre Eunicella, Paramuricea, Clavata et Lophogorgia." but that only takes us to genus level. The photo gallery at that source has additional captions one of which shows Eunicella singularis being overgrown. Otherwise, I think I am reliant on the evidence of the image in the Leptogorgia sarmentosa article, which one could argue is sufficient in the same way that the plot of a film is evidenced by the film itself and therefore does not require a citation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:23, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- That's what I was worried about actually, if the images are from commons they are open to identification challenge if they themselves don't have an associated reference. I've seen this happen with fossil specimen images. I would be more comfortable with the hook if it was left at the lowest referenced association. So Eunicella singularis can be used, but the Leptogorgia sarmentosa should be left at genus ID.--Kevmin § 16:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- I could make this a two article hook and leave out Leptogorgia sarmentosa entirely. We could then have ALT2, and use the image included in the Eunicella singularis article which would have to be substituted here for the original image.
- That's what I was worried about actually, if the images are from commons they are open to identification challenge if they themselves don't have an associated reference. I've seen this happen with fossil specimen images. I would be more comfortable with the hook if it was left at the lowest referenced association. So Eunicella singularis can be used, but the Leptogorgia sarmentosa should be left at genus ID.--Kevmin § 16:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- This source states "En Méditerranée son biotope est le même que celui des gorgones qui lui servent de support tel que celles du genre Eunicella, Paramuricea, Clavata et Lophogorgia." but that only takes us to genus level. The photo gallery at that source has additional captions one of which shows Eunicella singularis being overgrown. Otherwise, I think I am reliant on the evidence of the image in the Leptogorgia sarmentosa article, which one could argue is sufficient in the same way that the plot of a film is evidenced by the film itself and therefore does not require a citation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:23, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that false coral sometimes overgrows sea fans such as Eunicella singularis (pictured)?Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- Before we do that, take a look at this reference, it should be good for addition to the articles and support the data in the image. "Sexual reproductive cycle of the epibiotic soft coral Alcyonium coralloides (Octocorallia, Alcyonacea)". Tell me what you think.--Kevmin § 18:51, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't got access to the full article, but it mainly refers to the overgrowing by A. coralloides of Paramuricea clavata. I will use it in the A. coralloides article but, as far as I am aware, it does not assist in linking A. coralloides with L. sarmentosa. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- I found a free access pdf online, and I thought it did support it. I will see if I can track down the page when I get home.--Kevmin § 21:31, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
- Its the second link returned in this search [1] --Kevmin § 03:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. I have added information from that source and the original hooks are now fully supported so I have struck ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:48, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't got access to the full article, but it mainly refers to the overgrowing by A. coralloides of Paramuricea clavata. I will use it in the A. coralloides article but, as far as I am aware, it does not assist in linking A. coralloides with L. sarmentosa. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Clearing up the ambiguity has removed my concerns. No policy issues are found by me, the referencing is good along with the newness length. Good to go.--Kevmin § 21:51, 1 January 2015 (UTC)