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The result was: promoted by Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Aizanoi edit
- ... that the goods prices were controlled in the Phrygian city of Aizanoi as per an edict issued by Roman emperor Diocletian?
- Reviewed: Julia Holter
Created/expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 14:00, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
- New; good length, interesting subject; citations ok; no sign of plagiarism; hook in text/ok. Good to go. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm concerned that some of the phrasings in this article may be too close to those of its sources, particularly these two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Here's what the hook had been edited to be after it had been temporarily promoted and before the phrasings issue was raised—the hook as it was needed a bit of fixing for clarity:
- ALT1: ... that the prices of goods in the Phrygian city of Aizanoi were controlled by an edict of Roman emperor Diocletian? —BlueMoonset (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
- Does the objection of close paraphrasing relate to multiple referencing of the a.m. two sources? I'm not able to understand the reason? Will appreciate if anyone can explain. CeeGee (talk) 10:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Using the Duplication detector there are multiple similarities between the article and the sources, for example:
- Here's what the hook had been edited to be after it had been temporarily promoted and before the phrasings issue was raised—the hook as it was needed a bit of fixing for clarity:
- source: "..flourished with its production of cereals wine and sheep's wool from.."
- article: "..through its production of cereals wine and sheep's wool was to rise to prosperity.."
- source: "..the main hall of the bath complex was rebuilt sometime after the 4th or 5th century to serve.."
- article: "..the fourth or the fifth century a d the main hall of the bath complex was once more rebuilt in order to serve.."
- There are eight instances of six or more words matching with the T.C. ÇAVDARHİSAR KAYMAKAMLIĞI source, and six instances with the REPUBLIC OF TURKEY MINISTRY OF CULTURE AND TOURISM source. Harrias talk 11:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- Reworded, hopefully everything needed to pass. Thanks a lot indeed for the great assistance of Harrias. CeeGee (talk) 12:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
After some work on the article, I am satisfied it now passes our guidelines on close paraphrasing and copyvio. Though there are still a couple of examples of six or seven word phrases, these are in general common, unavoidable terms, in some cases used in different parts of the article completely. Length and date both check out, and the hook is appropriately referenced inline. Harrias talk 13:20, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but I still see strong resemblances between the article and the sources. Some words have been resequenced to avoid having strings of text that match word for word, but I still see very strong similarity in the structure of individual sentences and longer passages, as well as some unusual choices of word or phrase that are faithfully carried from source to article. For example:
- Source: "Aizanoi was rediscovered by European travellers in 1824 and studied in the 1830s and ‘40s." Article: "Aizanoi was rediscovered in 1824 by European travellers. Research works followed in the 1830s and 1840s."
- Source: "In the peristasis there are eight Ionic columns on the short and 15 on the long sides." Article: "The temple ... had eight Ionic columns in the short side and 15 at the long sides."
- Source: "...they bear the name of the person who is buried or who donated it.... On women’s tombs, there are pictures of baskets full of wool and a mirror, and men’s tombs are decorated with eagles, lions and bulls." Article: "The tombstones bear the burial's or the donor's name. Women's tombs are decorated with pictures of baskets filled with sheep's wool and a mirror, while tombs of men show bulls, lions and eagles."
- Source A: "Recent excavations done around the Temple of Zeus built on the high plateau of the city revealed several levels of settlements dating from as far back as 3000 B.C. In the Hellenistic era, this region was ruled by, alternately, Bergama and Bithynia, and in 133 B.C. it entered the dominion of the Roman Empire. Aizanoi printed its first coins in the second and first centuries." Source B: "New excavation of the elevated rise where the principal ancient sanctuary of the city, the temple of Zeus (A), is located has unearthed evidence of a third millenium B.C. occupation level. ... During the Hellenistic period this entire region alternated between the hegemonies of Pergamon and Bithynia; it came under Roman control in 133 B.C. The first coins date from the second and first centuries B.C." Article: "Recent archaeological excavations reveal that the site was occupied in the 3rd millennium B.C. During the Hellenistic period, the region was controlled alternately by Pergamon and Bithynia, depending on the outcome of their conflicts. In 133 B.C., Aizanoi came under Roman rule."
- Source: "The cult place of the goddess Metre Steunene, the oldest sacred side of the city, was a deep burrow in a cave which today has collapsed. Here, archaeologists found clay cult figurines in excavations in 1928, and these pieces date back to between the first century B.C. and the second century A.D. ... There are two round pits (bothroi) to sacrifice animals." Article: "The cult place of Aizanoi, dedicated to Meter Steunene, was a deep tunnel inside a cave, which has now collapsed. Cult figurines made of clay were found in excavations at the site. There were also two round pits used for animal sacrifice."
- Source: "One of the halls of this bath contains a well-preserved mosaic floor displaying a satyr and a maenad in the center." Article: "In one of the halls of the bath, well-preserved mosaics on the floor display a satyr and a maenad in the centre."
- It is a challenge to write this sort of content without mirroring the sources, but I find this article to be too similar to its sources. --Orlady (talk) 14:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm gonna try to fix them as soon as I have a little more time if you don't mind. Thanks for your time and attention, Orlady. CeeGee (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
- Have rewritten, good to go with ALT1 (I tweaked the brackets), Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 16:00, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Maculosae tegmine lyncis! Thanks a lot indeed for your comprehensive copyedit work. Very great help. Cheers. CeeGee (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
