- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SSTflyer 17:07, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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A Prank
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A Prank
... that "A Prank" (19th-century illustration pictured) is believed to be an allegory of the Qin dynasty?
Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 15:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough. Image is free and correctly licensed. Displays OK as a thumb. Hook is correctly formatted. Article is well referenced. AGF on anything in Chinese characters (which I cannot read). Article is neutral. Unable to do a plagiarism check as all sources are offline or in Chinese. It's good to go. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but feel the hook wording makes it sound like fact rather than just one reviewer's opinion. Personally, I think you could have a lot more fun with this hook. Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- ALT1:
... that Pu Songling issued a warning to all pranksters?Kingoflettuce (talk) 11:39, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Review needed for the proposed alt hook. North America1000 15:48, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Any reason why I can't tick it again? The quote from the text makes it clear that it was a warning to pranksters. Offline source AGF and translation AGF also. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Philafrenzy:. I think the image goes very well with this, but how can we work it in? Is the illustration from the story? (It doesn't say that in the caption in the article.) Yoninah (talk) 16:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- According to Commons it is an illustration from Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio (1740) by Pu Songling and therefore of the incident mentioned one assumes. It's a good illustration in the article but I would be surprised if it would be used on the main page due to difficulty in making out what is going on in it at thumbnail size. This is a classic quirky hook for the bottom of the set I think. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yoninah asked me to come up with an April Fools hook for this nom.
- ALT2:
... that Pu Songling say: prankster who scare with off-color joke liable to change hue on wrong end of rope?Gatoclass (talk) 05:31, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't find the use of broken English to mock Chinese people very funny, even if it's in good fun. The joke ought to be in the content, and not through offensive delivery. Kingoflettuce (talk) 05:51, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- A couple of days ago you were blowing off concerns about possible offence to others. You can't have it both ways. Gatoclass (talk) 08:46, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think ALT3 is great for April Fools Day. Far less offensive than slurs on women and gays which this year's April Fools page seems to be attracting from this editor. Yoninah (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- That's faulty logic. I wasn't the one who wrote 'bitch on heat', whereas you're the one mimicking the stereotypical Chinese. By the way there is no ALT3, only ALT2. This is perfect Western hypocrisy: since when were you the moral arbiter as to what's "less" offensive? Oh, lofty ideals such as protecting the rights of women and members of the LGBT community outweigh that of the Chinese (whom you probably consider aliens and look down upon for being inferior? And personally I believe strongly in the first two.) Look, say what you will, I have never ever once introduced anything offensive on my own -- all my hooks are sourced from what's present in the actual content! Whereas there is no chingchong imitation on this article. You're creating that. Who's more offensive? Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think ALT3 is great for April Fools Day. Far less offensive than slurs on women and gays which this year's April Fools page seems to be attracting from this editor. Yoninah (talk) 09:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- A couple of days ago you were blowing off concerns about possible offence to others. You can't have it both ways. Gatoclass (talk) 08:46, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- I don't find the use of broken English to mock Chinese people very funny, even if it's in good fun. The joke ought to be in the content, and not through offensive delivery. Kingoflettuce (talk) 05:51, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
FOR THE RECORD: the nature of such stories in and of itself would be offensive to the unacquainted, or those from other cultures. These are merely reproduced tidbits from centuries ago. If the source article has offensive elements, most likely the hook would be offensive to some too! Cannot be helped. But I am not one who likes conflict and causing trouble, if you really find it unacceptable then leave it be. I am also working, and have worked on, many "non-offensive" articles of considerably high quality. Don't buy into such a toxic narrative (intentionally or unintentionally) insinuated by some people above. Thanks. Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:35, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
- The hook is in the style of a "Confucious say" joke, a very well known format that has been around for decades. I've never heard of anybody, Chinese or otherwise, ever suggest that such jokes are offensive to Chinese people. But if you want to make an issue of it, I can request some wider input. Gatoclass (talk) 04:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- For a "Confucious (sic) say" joke, it certainly sucks -- no punch at all. And "Confucius say" jokes, funny or otherwise, are certainly not politically correct (WikiRead: BAD) and offensive to many, if not majority of, ethnic Chinese. Who came up with these jokes? Certainly not Chinese. Have never heard? Well now you have. Would you dare pull off a similar stunt for, say, an African American-related hook? Funny creole j'macian yow? Goes without saying, right? But, of course, it's less pertinent when it comes to us Chinese. Yawn. Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- p.s. I enjoy the content of select Confucius say jokes. If only they weren't presented in such a derogatory manner. Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- For a "Confucious (sic) say" joke, it certainly sucks -- no punch at all. And "Confucius say" jokes, funny or otherwise, are certainly not politically correct (WikiRead: BAD) and offensive to many, if not majority of, ethnic Chinese. Who came up with these jokes? Certainly not Chinese. Have never heard? Well now you have. Would you dare pull off a similar stunt for, say, an African American-related hook? Funny creole j'macian yow? Goes without saying, right? But, of course, it's less pertinent when it comes to us Chinese. Yawn. Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that one method of defying gravity is to fall for your own prank? Gatoclass (talk) 12:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Reviewer needed for ALT3 hook, which seems to be for April Fool's Day, so a prompt review would be appreciated. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:01, 27 March 2016 (UTC)