Talk:Zhang (surname)

Names

There is a proposal to create a precedent that names are not encyclopedic. Articles about names regularly show up on various deletion pages and are summarily deleted. Perhaps - since you've been working on an article about a name, you hold a different opinion that you'd like to express. Please do: Wikipedia:Deletion policy/names and surnames SchmuckyTheCat 17:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Merger with Chang (surname)

Reason for proposal: Most of the content of the articles Chang (surname) and Zhang (surname) are about the same name 張, although other oriental names with a similar sound are also covered on both pages. Both pages include lists of people named 張. Cheung already redirects to Zhang, so I propose that Chang (surname) should likewise redirect here, and the content of the two pages be merged.

Please indicate your support or opposition below.

Merge: proposed for the reasons stated above by Fayenatic london 14:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Opposed and unmerged. Not much discussion and separate English names, regardless of ethnic origin. Cheung should have been separated or directed to Chang, not used as an excuse to submerge everything.

You would have quite a strong point if the article were titled 张 (surname), except it isn't. Plus, personally, I find the current page to flow very smoothly, which would be hard to maintain if it remained a mashup like before. You'd need 12+ different subsections for each variant ethnic spelling. Not to mention the dubious political point of including Hakka and Minnan names – even when the people in question are from Singapore, HK, or Taiwan – on this page but separating out the Korean and Vietnamese ones. — LlywelynII 16:19, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Agree

Due to the phonetic similarity, and the varieties of Chinese dialects and vernacular spellings, Chang and Zhang are interchangeable in many cases, especially for oversea Chinese and historical Chinese names. Though Chang and Zhang could be in very different Chinese characters, it is better to categorize them together here (in Wikipedia English version) for comparison and study.

--Flyming 21:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Merged

I've replaced Chang (surname) with a redirect to this article. Although I think the "Chang" article should be recreated when someone comes up with some real content for the surname 常. Here is the list of notable people that was listed there. It needs a little editing work before it can be inserted in the same format that this article is using.

Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

History

Seems to me that the English equivalent surname might be Archer. Any thoughts on this? 87.112.72.208 23:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

An archer is the user, not the maker. The English equivalent is bowyer. 71.141.96.96 (talk) 11:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Very cute, except the character describes arching the bow, not nec. making it. Archer is fine, so long as one remembers that 张 doesn't actually "mean" anything. It was constructed from those pieces for those reasons, but modern Chinese uses different words for "archer" and "bowyer". It's like saying America means "Land of Hard Work". — LlywelynII 16:25, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

"Chinese Arc Constellation"

So what modern constellation would this correspond to? 71.141.96.96 (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

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