Talk:Zgoda labour camp

Mixed

The text mixes data about German-Nazi and Polish-communist camp. It should be edited. I don't want to start a new war, but it's under the level of an article. Xx236 11:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Specifically where the German-Nazi data are being mentioned in the article ? --Lysy^talk 11:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

"A subcamp (Arbeitslager Eintrachtshütte) of German concentration camp Auschwitz was opened in Świętochłowice in 1943 and operated until January 1945." Xx236 07:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, it just outlines the history of the camp. It tells us that it was the old Nazi camp that was reused later. Maybe some different wording would make it cleared, but I don't think that this fact should be hidden. There was only one month break between the camp was taken by Soviet army (January 23th) and was reopened in February. --Lysy^talk 07:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Next problem

• Zgoda labour camp
• Zgoda concentration camp

Why not the same?

No idea. Corrected this. --Lysy^talk 16:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• It was one of 1,255 concentration camps for Germans and Silesians in Communist Poland.

This is German pointy of view. Many of the camps existed only weeks and contained less than 100 workers. Do you know how many Nazi or Soviet camps existed? I have never seen such statistics, because there existed big camps and subcamps. The number of prisoners and death ratio are important.

There were many Polish and Ukrainian prisoners and 1255 (where is the list to check it) includes a number of Soviet camps in Poland. Xx236 13:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, removed, it really did not belong to the article as such statement would require further explanations. --Lysy^talk 16:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Labor or concentration?

Labour camp... was a concentration camp. One or another, I think?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  01:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Spelling

Other sources spell the original camp's name as "Eintrachtshütte," but this section heading and following text spell it "Eintrachthütte." Which is correct? The page needs internal consistency. -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It seemed to me pretty obvious that it should be as spelled: Zgoda labour camp#Arbeitslager Eintrachthütte. But frankly, I am not positive any more. I am the one who (I think) created this subheading and most of the subsection content--I might have the tendency to corrupt the name. Sorry if that turned out so. You might want a second opinion.

The camp was in the subdivision of Swietochlowice called Zgoda, which is called in the de.wikipedia Eintrachthütte. Here is a photo of a cover of a book (Conference papers) taken from the web site of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance [1], it also seems to say "Eintrachthütte". Hope this helps. Best regards. Stan J. Klimas (talk) 04:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

References

Coordinate error

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Rather than repeat it, see my request at "Translation help" here; the only thing I'd add here is that if you'll pull up Wikimapia through Geohack the crosshairs now point directly at the gate. I've put the gate coordinates in the photo caption, and have left the main coordinates alone for now. But I'm pretty sure, despite my request to Barras, that the gate has not moved. If someone else reads German, maybe they can change that from "pretty sure" to "certain." Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Update: Since Barras appears to be offline for awhile, I repeated my translation help request to Sindinero and his initial comments suggest that the gate may have, indeed, been moved. As a result, I've self-reverted the coordinates which I'd added to the Eintrachthütte concentration camp article and am awaiting his full comments before doing anything else here. — TransporterMan (TALK) 17:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Issue resolved; gate has either not been moved (most likely by comparison of older and newer photos) or has only been moved a few meters. Coordinates corrected to location of gate. — TransporterMan (TALK) 15:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Name

Polish wiki refers to this just as 'camp' and it may be a fair compromise. A check of sources in Google Books/Scholar does suggest that 'labour/labor camp' is more commonly used to describe this place than 'concentration camp', so the name should not be changed (and certainly not without a WP:RM process). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:53, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

DVL in U.S. (Upper Silesia)

"People who signed or were compelled to sign the Nazi lists III and IV" - 1) In U.Silesia they didn´t have to >sign< the DVL list - one just got it. 2) The DVL Lists were only in the eastern part of U.S. which was Polish before 1939. Sothat Zgoda inmates from the western (in the pre-war time German) part werfen´t registered in theses lists, they weren´t volksdeutsche at all, per definitionem.