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What does this even mean?

  "The ideal ratio of the length of the miniskirt, the exposed portion of thigh, and the over-knee part of the socks is often considered to be 4:1:2.5, with a tolerance of 25%"

4 = length of the skirt, 1 the exposed flesh and 2.5 the length of the stocking? It's not very clear. "The over-knee part"? Does this mean counting only what is between the knee and the waist? It's kind of useless info if the reader can't be sure what it's actually saying. Why would you take into account only what is between the knee and the waist? Why not as a proportion of overall height instead? What if the "skirt" is a dress? AnnaGoFast (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

The Japanese language not specified

Can the Japanese language be specified in the parenthesis before 絶対領域? I can't remember the correct format on English Wikipedia myself. Is it "jap."?--Adûnâi (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Top image

Do we really need an image of a woman scratching her butt at the top of this article? Especially since there are lots of images in commons:category:Zettai ryōiki that show the concept better, aren't taken from behind at an inopportune moment, and don't give the impression that they were taken without the subject's knowledge. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:14, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

• I don't see anything remotely like this in the image. And I think no one has ever found anything inappropriate in it before you came across this article. Cause this image has been in the lead for many years and no one objected.
  By the way, I don't think being rude helps your cause. I would like to unsee your comment. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
• This by far is the most professional-looking image available. And the image description states that it was taken at the 2012 Bologna Motor Show and that the girl was working there as an auto show model. So this isn't some spy photo or whatever you think it is. --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

  @Moscow Connection Why are we using a picture from Italy to illustrate a Japanese fashion concept? --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 17:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

  • @Ahecht: Because it illustrates the topic? Because you can’t tell she’s from Italy by looking at her thighs and miniskirt? Because you don’t have to be Japanese to wear a miniskirt and thighhighs? Dronebogus (talk) 16:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Probably beause it is the best available? It is of good quality, it looks professonal. All the other images look amateurish to me. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
    • Well there’s also File:Hentai - yuuree-redraw.jpg, which is very professional looking, but I don’t think it illustrates the topic particularly well (among… “other”… reasons). It’s definitely consensual though! Dronebogus (talk) 04:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
  • This argument is stupid. Stop disrupting WP and WC to make a WP:POINT. Dronebogus (talk) 16:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

A suitably cropped version of File:Members of KOBerrieS in Kobe Matsuri 2013 (8986240335).jpg would provide a less creepy, more consensual tone for the lead image. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

• I prefer https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E7%B5%B6%E5%AF%BE%E9%A0%98%E5%9F%9F_(15943379359).jpg since it already features a closeup of the topic but doesn’t feature the dreaded butt scratching and looks like a posed photo. Your suggestion has bad lighting and too little focus on the actual “zettai ryoiki” since they’re wearing boots Dronebogus (talk) 00:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I object. It's your image that looks creepy to me. The current one is the most professional looking. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
    • This is probably stupid but at this point should we just crop a picture of an anime character in the ZR cat so we can throw any doubts on consent-to-show-thigh-tops out the window? Hell, do we need to commission some anime character in ZR solely for this page since most of the images would have their quality wrecked by cropping? Dronebogus (talk) 04:34, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
• I agree, the picture looks like a creepshot. If better images are available, which it looks like there have been a few better suggestions here, then we should use them. -- Mike 🗩 21:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

It is rather interesting that the term carries the creepy connotation of exposed flesh fetish (commons has some of those as categories), as well as having see also topics like Panchira as opposed to panties/underwear in general. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

They’re legitimate topics, so they have categories. As long as they’re not real, consensual, or otherwise an innocuous part of the image, they’re not creepy. They just need strict regulation against creepshots. Dronebogus (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I suggest you read MOS:IMAGES to see what would be appropriate for posting. Also, Commons has different standards of what is acceptable to be in the category, as I tried to apply that to de-categorize not so relevant pictures per MOS:OMIMG and MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, but Dronebogus undid those. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:10, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

• • I re-added them because I think images that can be non-trivially cropped to show something count. The ZR is a non-trivial part of the images I re-added even if it’s not the subject so you could theoretically crop them to show it. Dronebogus (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)