Talk:Zenoss

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Update?

I noticed all of the references are from 2007. Looks like it might be due for some updates. Kevink707 (talk) 20:06, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Refresh

Refreshed the article. Edited out some irrelevant bits about the enterprise version and features. Cleaned up some marketing speak. Kept references to the enterprise version but not as much detail or fanfare. Added links to competing products, such as bmc, ca, and hp.

I forgot to edit while signed in. Sorry. Myke1829 (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Platforms?

Some critical (and very basic) details are missing... like, what platforms are supported for the server and client? BobbyPeru 16:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Platform is a good piece of info to provide. I'm researching some history right now. Also on the to-do list for this article is to cite some outside sources. Myke1829 10:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Advert, history pieces

Sure looks to me like an advertisement, the talk sounds like what would be written on the company's website. There is no comparision with or links to similar/competing tools, et cetera... Ctpm 22:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Rewriting this page to removed some of the marketing copy, which was primarily the list of features. I'll incorporate some of this back in an appropriate style, as needed. I will be expanding the history and technology overview sections a bit more. In addition, I identified a section for competing products. Myke1829 11:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Still a few history pieces to fill in, at least in my opinion (e.g., when did Zenoss Inc. form). This article is back to NPOV, so I removed the advert tag. Article could use some proofreading. Myke1829 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

This is a good article but it still has quite a strong advertising-ish feel abut it, so restoring the tag here in Talk. It's not a bad case at all but it still doesn't quite pass the smell test. — ciphergoth 11:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Are there particular passages in this article that strike the advertising tag fancy, such as the talk about the enterprise version? Revisions will help the article, but I'd like to hear some examples from others. Myke1829 (talk) 02:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Added notes

I added in some notes - founding date, corrected some spelling, added in recent milestones. Definitely could use a refresh on core software features.--Dliedholm (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

External Links

Open Management Consortium link is broken. Awildman (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Change article name to Zenoss Core

Hi, can we change the name of this article to Zenoss Core?

Zenoss Core is a product of Zenoss. We need to create a new article called "Zenoss" that will be used for their main company page.

What is the best way to go about doing this? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Bryan ssm (talk) 17:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I updated the article name to "Zenoss Core" instead of "Zenoss", as this article is about a product of Zenoss (Zenoss Core), not the actual company/organization.

Bryan ssm (talk) 21:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

This article should not be merged with the Zenoss article

Zenoss and Zenoss Core should remain separate, and should not be merged. Zenoss is an organization and Zenoss Core is a product of Zenoss. Bryan ssm (talk) 18:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I trimmed the misleading forbes stuff (forbes contributors are independent bloggers, not forbes employees), and removed a bunch of press releases. What's left at Zenoss seems to be nonnotable awards, routine funding activity, or coverage that isn't distinct from the software product described at this article. If we don't merge anything here, I think the alternative is that Zenoss gets deleted. MrOllie (talk) 19:14, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help MrOllie. I really appreciate it.

If we need to merge Zenoss Core and Zenoss, then I recommend we merge Zenoss Core with Zenoss. This would allow us to add unique content about Zenoss Core under the Zenoss Products section (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenoss#Products). Then we could change all Wikipedia links pointing to Zenoss Core to the Zenoss products section. What are your thoughts on this? Bryan ssm (talk) 19:52, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

My thought is that is backwards - this seems to be a case of a well known product with a much less well known company behind the scenes, not vice versa. - MrOllie (talk) 20:15, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

MrOllie,

Thanks again for helping organize the Zenoss and Zenoss Core articles. It’s greatly appreciated.

Although you may not know Zenoss well, the company is widely known in enterprise IT. For reference, Zenoss is continuously covered by leading industry analysts, such as Gartner, Forrester and 451 Research. Would it help to provide some examples of this? Zenoss has fortune 1000 customers who are leading organizations in financial services, technology, service providers, telecom, as well as the federal government. Examples include companies like GE, Verizon, Rackspace, BBC, Disney Interactive, VMware, Northrup Gruman, United Healthcare, Chick-Fil-a, and the US Air Force (Zenoss recently announced a large deal with the US Air Force). All of these companies are using Zenoss software that is not the Zenoss Core product. If more examples would be helpful you can find them at www.zenoss.com/customers or I can send you more information. I would also be happy to provide press coverage. So while there is plenty of evidence that Zenoss is a well known company with other well-known products besides Zenoss Core, there is also a Wikipedia precedent - there are plenty of examples of companies with very well-known products and less well-known companies that have Wikipedia articles for their company/organization in addition to their product. I'm happy to provide examples of this as well if it will make a difference.

Despite where you stand on how well-known Zenoss is, the most important thing is that merging the Zenoss Core and Zenoss articles can cause confusion for Wikipedia users as Zenoss Core is not the only product offering from Zenoss the company. The goal is to provide Wikipedia users with accurate and helpful information about two separate subject matters (Zenoss = Company, Zenoss Core = Product). The intention is to create product pages for the other offerings as well - maybe having a company page in light of that will make more sense to you?

Are there additional content edits required or removal/addition of external links on the Zenoss article in order to eliminate the maintenance template (and demonstrate article value)? I'm seeking your guidance on this because I genuinely want to create an unbiased page that offers information about the company Zenoss. Thank you for any help you can provide. - Bryan ssm (talk) 15:45, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

If there is some press that is about the company and not about their product, I'd be happy to take a look at it, but those reports that industry analysts are always turning out don't help us much. Customers don't matter either, see WP:NOTINHERITED. - MrOllie (talk) 16:45, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and just to reiterate: as an editor with a conflict of interest, you should not be the one to 'create product pages for the other offerings as well'. - MrOllie (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit Request - Name and URL

Hello - There are some updates that need to be made to this page that I need help with. I am a Zenoss employee and will not make any edits myself due to that conflict of interest, so I am posting here to request that the updates be made by the appropriate editors.

The primary update is that the name Zenoss Core has been changed to Community Edition. If you look at the official community website (https://community.zenoss.com), you can see that the change is in effect and has been since September 2018.

The second update request is for a link in the External Links section of the article. Zenoss Open Source IT Management community website currently points to www.zenoss.org, but that URL is no longer in use. The current URL for the community website is https://community.zenoss.com. I'd also like to request that the hyperlinked text be updated to TechZen Zenoss User Community website, as that is the official name.

If you have any questions or need any additional information, just let me know. Thanks for your time and help!

KCKimberly (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

It is a bit confusing now since the title of the article is still Zenoss Core but the lead only uses the new name. Some explanatory text would be in order, or a page move to the new name. W Nowicki (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)