Talk:Zaglossus attenboroughi

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Quick question which I don't have the knowledge to correct; this article says the species is very rare, not seen for many years, and that it is widespread, 'commonest in the mountains' ; this is a bit confusing 78.148.57.143 (talk) 04:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Is this species named after Sir David Attenborough? If so, it should be noted. Parmesan 18:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. See original description here. Ucucha 19:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and note that the article already mentions it. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Name

I have seen it referred to as "Attenborough's Long-beaked Echidna", rather than "Sir David's Long-beaked Echidna". Which is correct? 90.192.7.72 13:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

We follow Mammal Species of the World (3rd ed 2005) for common names. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and recent news reports also used the name Attenborough's long-beaked echidna. That name is right at the beginning of the article. If there is consideration of moving the article, it should be moved to that name rather than to the scientific name. 2601:640:8A01:39D0:88A:5F89:D86:303A (talk) 19:49, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Nat Geo source on Long-beaked Echidna

It's not clear which, if any, species they are describing in the June 2010 issue

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2010/06/foja-mountains/white-text

FX (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The description should be moved ~ cygnis insignis 16:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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Page image

This species' existence is only known from a specimen from 1961. I'm not sure which species the page image is, but it doesn't match the specimen image further down. 207.228.178.54 (talk) 14:21, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I believe you are correct. I'm not entirely sure what to do to get it removed from Commons (though it is obviously a simple step to remove it from the article). It's being used in several other language wikis, so I want to make sure it gets the proper treatment. UtherSRG (talk) 16:55, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 11 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved (closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs (talk) 00:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sir David's long-beaked echidna → Zaglossus attenboroughi – All of the supposed "common names" listed in the lead are not widely used. The titular Sir David's has only been used 3 times [1]. "Attenborough's long-beaked echidna" has more uses, but has only been used 7 times. [2], and the cyclops one has only been used twice [3]. In cases where there is no clear common name, the species name should be preferred. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom.

Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom—blindlynx 23:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support - FWIW - yes - *entirely* agree - article should be renamed to the species name - Zaglossus attenboroughi (in italics - per Binomial nomenclature and related) - hope this helps in some way - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 23:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Mlewan (talk) 06:50, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Mammals has been notified of this discussion. UtherSRG (talk) 13:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Indonesia has been notified of this discussion. UtherSRG (talk) 13:28, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. There's no good reason to have it be using an uncommon common name, And yeah I just wanted to say it that way for the lols. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Google scholar is not an appropriate method to determine common names. With common Google I get 50,100 results for Zaglossus attenboroughi and the following for the vernacular names listed in MDD: Attenborough's Long-beaked Echidna (22,700 results); Attenborough's Echidna (2,990 results), Attenborough's Long-nosed Echidna (8 results), Cyclops Long-beaked Echidna (682 results), Cyclops Long-nosed Echidna (5 results), Sir David's Long-beaked Echidna (3,390 results, possibly influenced by the Wikipedia title), and Sir David's Long-nosed Echidna (5 results). Anecdotally, I'd say Attenborough's Long-beaked Echidna is the most common vernacular name based on news reports of its rediscovery. I'd suggest that Attenborough's Long-beaked Echidna is the most common name in the Wikipedia sense and that the reason Zaglossus attenboroughi gets more hits is because most uses of any vernacular name also have the scientific name. But I can't prove that, so the scientific name is probably the best option. —  Jts1882 | talk  14:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose I think "Attenborough's long-beaked echidna" is the most commonly used name recently, so I would favour a move to that. Zaglossus attenboroughi would be my second choice. Bondegezou (talk) 15:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support. A very rare animal that doesn't occur in an English speaking country. There is no reason to expect it has a single commonly used English vernacular name. Plantdrew (talk) 17:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

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