Talk:Zachary Fucale
Latest comment: 6 years ago by BazouJr in topic Record as Most Rookie Wins
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Proposed move edit
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:29, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Zach Fucale → Zachary Fucale – A quick Google search shows the most commonly used name for this player is Zachary Fucale. It is also the name used on the QMJHL website [1] and the Montreal Canadiens website [2]. It is also his real name. Relisted. BDD (talk) 00:03, 8 February 2014 (UTC) Permafrost46 (talk) 18:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed, most league sources list him as "Zachary", however the majority of recent news sources (originating from the WJHC) go with "Zach" (CBC, The Toronto Star). Then, we have some that use "Zach" in the headline and "Zachary" in the body of the article. Anecdotally, his Twitter is "Zach", although that isn't worth much, but is a possible indicator to his preference, which may mean official websites will change in the future. This is a lot of rambling to say, I am not sure there is strong support for a change, either way (if it said Zachary, I don't see evidence to change it, nor vice versa). Canada Hky (talk) 20:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, most French-language sources (he is a Quebecois player) give his name as "Zachary", for instance La Presse [3] and RDS [4] although there are some occurences of "Zach" Fucale as well. These are also recent sources (dated no later than 2014). Since league sources also give his name as "Zachary", I think this supports a change for "Zachary". The situation is similar with Daniel Brière. Many sources give his name as "Danny Brière" yet he is almost universally referred to as "Daniel Briere" in league sources and in Quebec. I think we should go with the league sources and the actual player name instead of the diminutive. The title would still agree with WP:CRITERIA. Permafrost46 (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- This is English Wikipedia, and he is Canadian, so CBC is a fairly reliable source as far as that goes. As I said, there are plenty of sources for both names. Canada Hky (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Okay then, given that there are reliable English-language sources for both "Zach" and "Zachary", why not go with official league sources such as the QMJHL, the NHL or the pro team that drafted him, the Montreal Canadiens? Permafrost46 (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Honestly, given that his Twitter says "Zach", I am inclined to say that is how he prefers to be called. And really, I am just going with inertia on this, if the article was at "Zachary", I wouldn't push to have it moved to "Zach". I don't think there is any evidence for one being more "right" or "preferred". If forced to cite something more officially, I would say secondary sources like news coverage should be preferred to primary sources like team websites. Canada Hky (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Okay then, given that there are reliable English-language sources for both "Zach" and "Zachary", why not go with official league sources such as the QMJHL, the NHL or the pro team that drafted him, the Montreal Canadiens? Permafrost46 (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- This is English Wikipedia, and he is Canadian, so CBC is a fairly reliable source as far as that goes. As I said, there are plenty of sources for both names. Canada Hky (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, most French-language sources (he is a Quebecois player) give his name as "Zachary", for instance La Presse [3] and RDS [4] although there are some occurences of "Zach" Fucale as well. These are also recent sources (dated no later than 2014). Since league sources also give his name as "Zachary", I think this supports a change for "Zachary". The situation is similar with Daniel Brière. Many sources give his name as "Danny Brière" yet he is almost universally referred to as "Daniel Briere" in league sources and in Quebec. I think we should go with the league sources and the actual player name instead of the diminutive. The title would still agree with WP:CRITERIA. Permafrost46 (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose while both are used, speaking as someone who lives in the city he currently plays in. The media never refers to him as Zachary Fucale here in local news broadcasts or in the papers. I would have to agree with Canada Hky, that if it were a tie (and I don't think it really is) I would break the tie by going with what is his preference (ie his twitter handle). -DJSasso (talk) 13:54, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- On what grounds can this be considered a tie? I'll assume that you refer to Halifax media and I have a counter example here, so I can't really agree that the Halifax media never refers to him as Zachary Fucale. I have to restate that league sources invariably give his name as "Zachary" and that there are reliable English-language sources for both "Zach" and "Zachary". Most references in the article also give his name as "Zachary". Besides, in my opinion Twitter handles are primary sources and must be used with caution. Permafrost46 (talk) 14:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think its a tie, I think its overwhelmingly Zach, if you read what I said I said if it was a tie. Secondly league sources are primary sources so are less useful than secondary sources. Yes twitter is also primary, but its a good indicator of that players preference which holds more water than league sources. -DJSasso (talk) 13:00, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- On what grounds can this be considered a tie? I'll assume that you refer to Halifax media and I have a counter example here, so I can't really agree that the Halifax media never refers to him as Zachary Fucale. I have to restate that league sources invariably give his name as "Zachary" and that there are reliable English-language sources for both "Zach" and "Zachary". Most references in the article also give his name as "Zachary". Besides, in my opinion Twitter handles are primary sources and must be used with caution. Permafrost46 (talk) 14:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
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Record as Most Rookie Wins edit
Even thought the source "seems" reliable, this claim seems to be false. On the QMJHL website, it states that this record is held by Richard Sevigny, with 37 wins. And on his NHL scouting report before the draft, this record is not mentioned either, which is a bit weird given that all his other records are mentioned. The record seems to be most victories for a 16 years old rookie.