Talk:YouTuber

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List of potential sources

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• Beck, Julie (2015-12-07). "Why Do So Many People on YouTube Sound the Same?". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2018-05-03.
• Jerslev, Anne (2016-10-14). "Media Times - In The Time of the Microcelebrity: Celebrification and the YouTuber Zoella". International Journal of Communication. 10 (0): 19. ISSN 1932-8036.
• Holmbom, Mattias. "The YouTuber: A Qualitative Study of Popular Content Creators". DIVA. Retrieved 2018-04-30.
• Riley, Megan Nicole (2014-05-01). The YouTube Celebrity: Common Factors of Successful YouTuber Channels. Academic Year 2013-2014 – via repository.asu.edu.
• HIDALGO-MARÍ, Tatiana; SEGARRA-SAAVEDRA, Jesús (2017-12-01). "El fenómeno youtuber y su expansión transmedia. Análisis del empoderamiento juvenil en redes sociales". Fonseca, Journal of Communication. 15 (15): 43. doi:10.14201/fjc2017154356. ISSN 2172-9077.
• Eun Lee, Jung; Watkins, Brandi (2016-12-01). "YouTube vloggers' influence on consumer luxury brand perceptions and intentions". Journal of Business Research. 69 (12): 5753–5760. doi:10.1016/j.jbusres.2016.04.171. ISSN 0148-2963.

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Looking through articles on older YouTubers might be helpful when looking for sources too, especially big early YouTubers like Smosh etc. Alduin2000 (talk) 03:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Might be useful: https://www.nytimes.com/search?query=YouTuber&sort=oldest Alduin2000 (talk) 18:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Overlap with Social impact of YouTube and other articles

Social impact of YouTube may have some information that overlaps with content that should be in this article. I'm not sure Wikipedia policy on overlap of information, should it be copied over and attributed or...? Alduin2000 (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I've been the most active editor for the Social impact of YouTube article beginning with its comprehensive 2014 overhaul. That article focuses on the website's social impact—that is, its impact outside the website itself. Distinguish: the present YouTuber article should be mainly concerned with content creators as a group: general observations about that group as a whole as distinguished from the website or the website's influence.

Moreover, based on its title, the present article should not be an enumeration of minutiae about YouTubers, since that aspect is reflected in List of YouTubers and List of most-subscribed YouTube channels.

In summary, though a small amount of overlap is to be expected, I think that writers of the present article should recognize the narrow and as-yet-vaguely-defined niche that this YouTuber article must occupy. —RCraig09 (talk) 14:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Addendum: A problem I see is that:

• if content is about the effect of YouTubers in general outside YouTube itself, then it probably belongs in Social impact of YouTube.
• if content is about YouTubers in general that does not relate to their social impact outside YouTube then it probably belongs in the main YouTube article.
• if that content is about particular YouTubers then it probably belongs in List of YouTubers (there's quite a bit of this in the present article already).

Content that might belong here is the "culture" that YouTubers have created—basically a concept of sociology or social psychology. Good luck finding articles on that mushy subject! —RCraig09 (talk) 01:52, 24 June 2018 (UTC) Wording revised by RCraig09 (talk) 10:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Update needed

An update is needed on the introduction paragraph, where it says Pewdiepie is the most subscribed YouTube channel. T-series surpassed Pewdiepie again, and is leading by over 500,000 subscribers. 107.77.214.187 (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

An update is needed in the "Influence" paragraph, to the left. T-Series is, "globally the first Youtube channel to cross 100 million subscribers." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:6800:1C38:DCBD:98CA:9DB1:59F7 (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Content dispute

Certnmet, please discuss your edits here rather than continuing to edit war. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 17:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned references in YouTuber

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of YouTuber's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SocialBlade":

• From List of most-subscribed YouTube channels: "Top 100 Subscribed YouTube Channels (Sorted by Subscriber Count)". Social Blade. Retrieved 28 May 2019.
• From List of most-viewed YouTube channels: "Top 50 YouTubers sorted by Most Viewed - Socialblade YouTube Stats". Social Blade. Retrieved February 21, 2019.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Refinery29 reference

For those editing this article: the following reference may be useful to you:

• https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/07/238043/what-happened-to-first-youtubers-vidcon
  
• <ref name=Refinery29_20190726>{{cite news |last1=Lindsay |first1=Kathryn |title=YouTube Made Them Famous. Now, They're Done With It. What Happened? |url=https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/07/238043/what-happened-to-first-youtubers-vidcon |work=[[Refinery29]] |date=July 26, 2019}}</ref>
  

—RCraig09 (talk) 03:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Etymology

Says "...main or only platform..." which seems to suggest that if someone who was well-known before starting to publish on YouTube cannot become a YouTuber unless they become more well-known for YouTube, and also that someone can cease being a YouTuber because they become (more) well-known for something else. The reference does not seem to support this meaning. Also, judging degrees of well-known-ness could be tricky.

Going to the reference, and following the link to the full-text pdf soon gives:

"The name YouTubers refers to video bloggers (vloggers) who regularly post videos on their personal YouTube channels."

so any regular poster on YouTube would qualify (though I think the word "regular" is a bit tricky: does it mean "(regular and) frequent", and if so, how frequent?

Also, people in WP often have a list of things they are known for, examples: Ben Fogle, Florence Nightingale.

FrankSier (talk) 16:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I think that the whole Etymology section could be deleted, as it is already covered in the lead (and in a better way I think). The reference in this section is already used in three other places in this article, so I assume would be automatically kept. FrankSier (talk) 11:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Pewdiepie head shot.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Expanded definition dispute

User ZimZalaBim is seeking to preserve the misleading text "A YouTube personality and/or influencer, more commonly known as a YouTuber, is an individual who produces videos on the video-sharing platform YouTube,[1] specifically whose main or only platforms are one or multiple YouTube channels, personalized subpages of the platform. ZimZalaBim refuses to allow edits that modify this misleading text to include any competition to YouTube and rejects sources that so modify the erroneous text (Washington Examiner, Toronto Mail and Globe and Business Insider). It appears ZimZalaBim either is unaware of changes to the video-platform industry since 2021 or seeks create an impression via outdated text that "influencers" on YouTube are solely tied to that platform and not competitive platforms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avica1998 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

First, @Avica1998: WP:AGF. Nothing about my reverts suggest I "refuses to allow edits that modify this misleading text to include any competition to YouTube" etc. The core issue at hand is that nothing in the sources you provided support the specific claim that the term YouTuber has, as you wrote, "since expanded to include those who also utilize the YouTube competitor Rumble." The citations you added note that yes, there are other sites that compete with YouTube, but they are silent about whether users of those sites are also referred to as YouTubers, which is what your edit claimed. That's all. Please be civil moving forward. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:25, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I have to agree with ZimZalaBim here. This page is about people who use YouTube and are thus referred to as "YouTubers". People who do not use YouTube but other platforms are generally not referred to as "YouTubers", including in the sources you cite. You simply cannot claim that the term "YouTuber" now includes people using other platforms if the sources don't actually say that. What you are talking about are influencers or online streamers in general, not YouTubers specifically. This is simply the wrong place for that stuff. Regards SoWhy 18:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Further, since Avica1988 suggested that verification of the source failed, I double-checked it. The source specifically states "The name YouTubers refers to video bloggers (vloggers) who regularly post videos on their personal YouTube channels." Therefore, I tweaked the opening sentence to match that more closely. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 18:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

And yet ZimZalaBim has removed the offending text, thus resolving the issue Avica1998 (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023

YouTuber

Occupation
Occupation type	Profession
Activity sectors	Social media

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.123.255.213 (talk) 10:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: looks like a proposal to add a small infobox to this article. Left guide (talk) 13:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: such infobox (assuming this is what this request is about) wouldn't add any value t the article. M.Bitton (talk) 12:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)