Talk:Yoshiwara

Expansion & Importance

The courtesans, geisha, and the rest of the community of the Yoshiwara were extremely influential in Edo culture. Everything that we look at today as the high points of Edo culture - kimono fashions, ukiyo-e, kabuki, stories of the Yoshiwara itself, along with kyoka, senryu, kibyoshi, and sharebon - were all very heavily influenced or inspired by the Yoshiwara. Thus, I have moved this article to High, and am recommending serious expansion. Entire books have been written on this subject, and while much of that material probably resides on the geisha page or other articles, there is plenty pertaining specifically to the Yoshiwara that could be added here. LordAmeth 10:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Given the topic's importance, I'm surprised more work hasn't been done on it since LordAmeth ranked it as important. I'm working on some topics related to this for my Japanese Literature class's WikiEdu project this semester, so maybe I will make some additions. MenoEnds (talk) 18:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@MenoEnds: - if you do, please factor in that, as an article about sex work, some additions and changes might be contentious; even if they're not, I would advise creating a new section on the Talk page about either what you intend to do, or have done, and the reasons behind these changes. If all is well, then there shouldn't be any issues with your improvements - there are too many Japanese culture articles and too little time for everyone to put work into, and additional help is always welcome.

Also, if you do end up working on this article, please use templates like {{transl}}, {{lang}}, {{nihongo}} and {{nihongo3}} for any Japanese-language terms, romanised or otherwise - it makes cleanup a lot easier when they don't have to be added in-post(!)--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 19:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! I'll do research on the topic over the course of the semester and post here before I change anything. Right now the article is mostly about the 17th & 18th centuries, so I'd like to add more information about the 19th and 20th centuries. I also dislike the "People and Services" section, because I don't think it's helpful to put a list of who was in Yoshiwara removed from any context. I know most of the people and services have their own pages, so I think they could just be integrated into the historical information and don't need their own section. What do you think? MenoEnds (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Most of the professions included within Yoshiwara do have their own articles, but I think the section ought to stay. The melting pot of professions within the licenced quarters gave rise to a number of traditional artforms, such as kabuki and kouta, and were the origin of geisha as well; as a meeting point for the merchant classes, a crucial aspect of Genroku culture and the later culture of the Edo period, it really cannot be overstated. You could work them into the History section, but I think it does warrant a separate section, as it really does have importance for just how many different professions and social classes interacted within Yoshiwara.

It could possibly do with retitling, though; maybe "Professions, services and customers"? I don't know. "People" sounds a wee bit vague, but I can't think of what to replace it with.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 19:21, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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