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No source, no description, no other information easily accessible found elsewhere. Suggest to delete? Antiquetwerp (talk) 20:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Copy editing notes

I have been copy editing this article as part of the GOCE November drive as requested by The Cadillac Ranger. Here are my notes, in no particular order. Of course, these are all just my personal opinion.

• See WP:CITYSTRUCT
• The indigenous village
  • Be more specific, if possible. What culture or people group?
  • There is basically no information for the area pre-Dutch settlers
• In general, this article is very far from being a so-called good article. I'm not a GA reviewer, but I see some blatant sourcing issues (which may well be easily solved). For example, there are several entirely unsourced paragraphs. Sourcing issues are especially egregious in the neighborhoods section. Where there is sourcing, many of the sources are less-than-ideal (blogs, interviews, outdated, real estate advertisement).
• The section pertaining to (de)segregation needs expansion and updating
• Economy section needs expansion
• Demographics needs expansion (i.e., culture, religion, gentrification)
• 21st century history needs more of a narrative (see also WP:PROSELINE) – this is generally true of the history section but especially notable here
• I think a GOCE copy edit (for the purposes of GAN) was an early step here. I would recommend looking at the criteria and starting with criterion #2. In going section-by-section and verifying statements, hopefully criterion #3 will also be addressed as sources/information are found. Then, criterion #1 can be re-addressed by the GOCE, if needed. If this is your first experience with a GAN, also consider going through the peer review process first.
• The lead refers to information not covered in the main body. See MOS:LEADNOTUNIQUE, and more broadly, MOS:LEAD and WP:WBA
• It's possible that this article can just be called Yonkers. See WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT
• See inline notes I left

Feel free to reach out with any issues or questions.

Thanks, Wracking ^talk! 22:07, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions and the copyedit. As far as it being a GAN, although I mention it as a potential GAN, I am aware that it's way too early for a GAN and it has a long way to go before being a GAN, let alone a GA. I don't consider it GA ready either. However, a copyedit was a great start and I appreciate it. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 03:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Yonkers, New York/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: The Cadillac Ranger (talk · contribs) 01:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Randomstaplers (talk · contribs) 00:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I see one of the sources seems to be a reverse copyvio - report. I've gone ahead and noted it on the talk page, but it will have to be addressed.⸺(Random)staplers 00:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Randomstaplers I just paraphrased and rephrased the wording to help solve the copyvio concerns. It is now about 16%. Let me know if there is anything else I need to address. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Cadillac Ranger I believe it's a reverse copyvio - that means that a Wikipedian wrote something, and the source copied it. The copyvio report doesn't distinguish between the two. Maybe there's a better source. ⸺(Random)staplers 07:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Randomstaplers, is it this source that has a reverse copyvio? I paraphrased words and changed sentences around and it is around 16% using the copyvio detector as compared to 33%. That Cooperator News source was published in 2016. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 07:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Cadillac Ranger You can use who wrote that, or WP:Wikiblame to quickly figure out the diff was first put in. I believe the last time I checked, it was dated before that article, so yes, you have to find a new source to avoid WP:CIRCULAR.⸺(Random)staplers 19:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:CITOGENESIS - you get the idea.⸺(Random)staplers 19:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Randomstaplers. I removed that source and replaced it with a source from Time.com. If there is anything else that needs to be addressed, let me know. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 01:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Cadillac Ranger I have User:SuperHamster/CiteUnseen.js and User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/CiteHighlighter enabled on my account. You do have to be careful when using these tools; for example, the latter tool highlights https://census.gov, which is obviously isn't going to be an issue.

From what I can tell, the main issues highlighted are https://unreachednewyork.com/, (which incidentally, is broken, and will very quickly become outdated in the future per WP:ENDURE) and https://thoughtco.com, which is a marginal, but still accepted Wikipedia source. None of these seem to be deal-breakers for the GA, but if you want to get them sorted now, go ahead. I'll finish the GA review Sunday in case anyone else has concerns.⸺(Random)staplers 03:10, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Randomstaplers, I removed both the Thoughtco and unreachednewyork sources (and replaced them). Let me know what else needs to be done. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 08:31, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@The Cadillac Ranger From a final quick verification of the sources:

• I'm not sure what reference is supporting the "W2XCR" statement.
• Also don't know what this article masquerading as a real estate listing [1] is doing on Wikipedia...
• Having trouble verifying this statement: It is considered a City of Seven Hills: Park, Nodine, Ridge, Cross, Locust, Glen, and Church Hills.
• Not sure how this [2] supports the Landmarks include statement.
• Another real estate listing: [3]

Well, that's going to take a while... I hope you're up to it, since GAs can't come with verification problems from a cursory glance. There may be some I missed, so go ahead and fix any you see.⸺(Random)staplers 01:15, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Randomstaples, to verify your points:

1. I replaced this source with a book source that mentions the W2XCR radio. Although the Columbus magazine source supports some of that statement, it doesn't make any mention of W2XCR. This is why I replaced it with a book source that mentions it.
2. This source is about the home used in Mona Lisa Smile, which was listed for sale and how the Victorian architecture of that house attracted filmmakers. I replaced it with this source.
3. This statement mainly focuses on how Yonkers is a City of Seven Hills (and the word it was changed to Yonkers). This is the new statement: Yonkers is considered a City of Seven Hills: Park, Nodine, Ridge, Cross, Locust, Glen, and Church Hills.
4. This source mentions both the Tanglewood Shopping Center and the Tangleboys, which is why it was added. I also added this source as well (I'm willing to change it if necessary).
5. I included this source because of how it talks about Palisades Avenue and Chase Avenue.

Thoughts

The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 18:03, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

• For number one, did you mean to include the same link twice...?
• I feel like, at least for number four, there are better references. Like this ref [4] from a local business journal. 'Landmark' is a bit of a stretch, but it's certainly what I would call a 'notable place' worth including. Search engine: Google, under the 'news' section.⸺(Random)staplers 18:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  @The Cadillac Ranger, see above ⸺(Random)staplers 18:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hi Randomstaplers,

  1. For number one, I only included this link once, which is a book source. I don't plan to include that link twice because it's the only source that directly mentions W2XCR.
  2. For number four, I think it's best to still keep that Westchester Magazine source because it does mention Tanglewood Shopping Center and Tanglewood Boys. There are two options for this. Either I can add the ref you suggested as well. Or I can just remove the Westchester Magazine source and replace it with the ref you mentioned as it is more better. I decided option 2 is the best option so therefore, I removed the Westchester Magazine source and replaced it with the ref source you mentioned.
  3. Also for number four, I changed landmarks to notable places.

  Thoughts? The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 19:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  @The Cadillac Ranger Noted. I'll do another quick verification.⸺(Random)staplers 19:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

  Also Randomstaplers, I added a sentence about the Ridge Hill Mall and Legoland into the Northeast Yonkers section. If there is anything else I should address, let me know. The Cadillac Ranger (talk) 19:48, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.