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Red brick road
editIf my "original research" and "notable" issues aren't addressed, I'm totally going to delete the Red Brick Road section. AJD 17:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- The road is observable and verifiable, so it's not "original research", and whether it's "notable" or not is a matter of opinion. However, it started as a single comment and has ballooned to an essay, which I agree is excessive. Wahkeenah 17:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- There's plenty of "original research" in that essay: "L. Frank Baum, was a metaphysician and a member of the Theosophical Society and he knew Helena Blavatsky. Many believe that he used Kundalini symbolism as the backbone of the story..."; "Some students of the Oz books believe that "the red brick road" is an L. Frank Baum book convention that made it into MGM's classic film."; "The presence of a second road also serves to implicitly explain why it was necessary to tell Dorothy to follow the yellow brick road".... I don't see how a case can be made that this red brick road is notable: it's merely a set-design decoration, which is never so much as referred to by any character in the movie; it has not entered pop culture as any sort of recognizable reference. It's basically of no consequence whatsoever. AJD 17:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- If there was only one brick road, it would not be necessary to tell Dorothy to follow the yellow one. Wahkeenah 02:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, come on. You're just speculating and/or rationalizing. AJD 03:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- There is no denying that there is a red brick road there. Wahkeenah 03:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I could, if I wanted to, by saying "There's no direct evidence that it's a road, rather than just a design element in the Munchkin town square; no one refers to it as a road, and we don't see it leading anywhere." But I won't. What I meant is that you're speculating about the reason for including it in the movie set design, and rationalizing that that reason makes it somehow important. AJD 04:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- There is no question it's a road. As I recall, the original entry simply read that both a red and a yellow brick road spiraled out from that point on the square, a statement which is verifiable as it's visible in the film (and in the illustration). Everything beyond that might be overkill, unless there is supporting evidence in the Oz books about the function or purpose of the red brick road. Wahkeenah 04:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- (I said I wasn't going to make that argument....) The red brick road is just an element of the movie set design; it's not from the books. Since you agree with that much, I'm going to go ahead and make that change. AJD 04:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Looks good. That scales it back to the observable facts and omits the essay that grew over time. Now we'll see if it creeps back in. In fact, the original wording called it an "unexplained" red brick road, which is true, but I think your version implies the same thing, more succinctly. There is no explanation, it's just "there". And if the reader wants to infer anything about them telling Dorothy to follow the yellow brick road instead of the red brick road, they can do so. Wahkeenah 06:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- (I said I wasn't going to make that argument....) The red brick road is just an element of the movie set design; it's not from the books. Since you agree with that much, I'm going to go ahead and make that change. AJD 04:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- There is no question it's a road. As I recall, the original entry simply read that both a red and a yellow brick road spiraled out from that point on the square, a statement which is verifiable as it's visible in the film (and in the illustration). Everything beyond that might be overkill, unless there is supporting evidence in the Oz books about the function or purpose of the red brick road. Wahkeenah 04:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I could, if I wanted to, by saying "There's no direct evidence that it's a road, rather than just a design element in the Munchkin town square; no one refers to it as a road, and we don't see it leading anywhere." But I won't. What I meant is that you're speculating about the reason for including it in the movie set design, and rationalizing that that reason makes it somehow important. AJD 04:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- There is no denying that there is a red brick road there. Wahkeenah 03:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, come on. You're just speculating and/or rationalizing. AJD 03:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- If there was only one brick road, it would not be necessary to tell Dorothy to follow the yellow one. Wahkeenah 02:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- There's plenty of "original research" in that essay: "L. Frank Baum, was a metaphysician and a member of the Theosophical Society and he knew Helena Blavatsky. Many believe that he used Kundalini symbolism as the backbone of the story..."; "Some students of the Oz books believe that "the red brick road" is an L. Frank Baum book convention that made it into MGM's classic film."; "The presence of a second road also serves to implicitly explain why it was necessary to tell Dorothy to follow the yellow brick road".... I don't see how a case can be made that this red brick road is notable: it's merely a set-design decoration, which is never so much as referred to by any character in the movie; it has not entered pop culture as any sort of recognizable reference. It's basically of no consequence whatsoever. AJD 17:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, now what do I say to my 5 year old daughter? We watched the movie recently and she asked me "Where does the red brick road go?" Now, in my childhood, the idea never occurred to me the other road really existed in the story, much less go anywhere, but obviously some people do. I'd love to hear any theories peiople have so I can pick the best answer! Mattopaedia (talk) 02:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Tell her the only fact that can be clearly discerned in the film: "It goes in another direction." Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
The article currently states "In the 1939 film, there is no red brick road. It is just paving at the edges of the Yellow brick road." This is not true. A red brick road can be seen going out of town in the opposite direction. I will edit the page to say that it exists in the film, but not in the book.Dlenmn (talk) 04:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Too much trivia
editDoes Wikipedia have an official policy or guideline to the effect that 'A reference to or quotation of the topic of Article A in an episode of Television Show B is not in general sufficiently notable to be mentioned in Article A'? If not, can we invent one? AJD 03:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Intersection
editThe original editor had been much more speculative as to where the other two brick roads might go. I tried to tone that down. I have further revised it with no speculation at all, merely reporting that fact (verifiable in the film) of the intersection and that they chose one of them. Their method of selection seems totally random, but putting that in the note might be overkill. Baseball Bugs 04:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Australia
editWhere in the world does down the yellow brick road mean in Australia? Certainly not in Australia. Ryan Albrey (talk) 03:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)