Talk:Yazid I/GA1

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Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 17:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi AhmadLX. It's been nearly a year since I assessed one of your GANs, so I'll pick up this one.

I have done a little copy editing, which you will wish to check.

• The lead looks a little long to me. Would it be possible to trim it?

Thanks for picking it up. Trimmed.

• Could you link "AH" to Islamic calendar.

Done.

• "ibn Aqil" or "Ibn Aqil"? You need to decide on one and stick to it.

Done.

• Sources: Hawting and Morony are not used as sources. Suggest moving them to "Further reading".

Years (2000 and 2002) got mixed up for Hawting. Separated now. Morony was also removed somehow. Readded. Tabari Vol 19 deserved to be in further reading, so done that as well.

Ah. I should have noticed that re Hawting.

More to follow.

Gog the Mild (talk) 17:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

• "He discontinued Muawiya's policy of raids against Byzantine Empire and focused on stabilizing borders. Islands in the Sea of Marmara were abandoned." This sits very oddly on its own under "Legacy". It needs to be moved, possibly to "Reign".

Yes you are right. Actually, there was a section on foreign campaigns and I had added this line into that section. But the problem was that all the other stuff in that section was either unreferenced or dubiously attributed to sources which didn't support anything in that section. So I removed that altogether. It was odd to keep a section for one sentence. But yes, this stuff is odd in legacy as well. Perhaps it would best to add it to section "Reign" for now? Done. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 19:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

It is looking good. A couple of minor points:

• References: Where you have a page range, it should read 'pp.' not "p."

Thanks, done.

And refs 24-27 inc.

O yes, dunno how missed them

• Lammens should have an OCLC - 474534621.

Done.

I am going to leave this for a day or two now, and then go through it again with fresh eyes. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:34, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Alright. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 21:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

• "Yazid was born in 646 to Muawiya ibn Abu Sufyan" I find "Muawiya ibn Abu Sufyan" confusing. Is there a reason why you don't just use his common name, Muawiya I?

Done.

• "However, in 676, a few years before his death, Muawiya nominated Yazid." I would propose deleting " a few years before his death,"

Done.

• "Muawiya and the Shura declared for Yazid" Who were "the Shura" in this context. I thought it meant what it is Wikilinked to, but this doesn't seem to match what you are saying. See shura#Shura and the caliphate.

The section is anything but the "Caliphate and Shura". It was Umar's invention to appoint a caliph through consultation. But only Uthman was chosen through consultation of high-ranking Muslims of that time. Nevertheless, people subsequently expected that every ruler should be elected through Shura. Muawiya twisted that, it was less consultation and more flattery and payments.

• The section "Reign" doesn't seem to be about his reign as such. Could I suggest retitling it 'Oaths of allegiance'? Or reorganising like this.

Reorganized. Nothing much of importance happened during his reign other than feuds of legitimacy. If I find something more on this supported by RS, will certainly add it.

• "In Mecca Husayn received letters from pro-Alid Kufans" What does "pro-Alid" mean? If it means supporters of Husayn, it may be less confusing to a reader to say this. If you are going to use "Alid", it needs linking at first mention.

Pro-Alids means political supporters of Ali. This differs from "Shia", which originally had this same meaning (partisans) but later came to mean a religious sect. Pro-Alid is used to keep religious "Shia" and political "Shia" seperate. Note added. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 22:47, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Gog the Mild (talk) 21:44, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Great work. I have moved the Wikilink to Alid to its first mention. Meets all of the GA criteria and I am happy to promote. Well done. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Gog the Mild for the review, ce and passing. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 14:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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