Talk:Xiongnu invasion of Donghu

About the Sources

I really liked the article but i can say that there are more sources/books to use as a reference in this article, i will organize and put them when i am free

Copyright

@HistoryofIran, i didn't understand the thing you did about that copyright stuff, can you please explain it to me? Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 18:32, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

License Information and Copyright

Well, i couldn't find the type of the copyright license of the book the Perilous Frontier if it is valid to use it on wikipedia. But in the book there are things like this: Copyright © Thomas J. Barfield 1989

'All rights reserved. Except for the quotation of short passages for the purposes of criticism and review, no part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of the publisher.'

I basically used the text written in the book Perilous Frontier because it is much more detailed and well-used if we compare it to the other sources. But i didn't copy-paste it directly, i've changed a few words, sentences and mixed it with other sources to make a good article. I can rewrite the article if there is a problem. @HistoryofIran Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 19:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran I am waiting for your response, what should i do? Please respond as soon as possible Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 19:40, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I didn't even edit after your first comment, why ping me again and only after 40 minutes a that..? Anyways, I'm not sure, this is the first time I've done it like this. As for the rest of your comment, you should really also do the research yourself, there's literally two links named Wikipedia:Copyright problems and Wikipedia's content license in the article, I would advise you to read those for starters, as well as WP:PARAPHRASE. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I've checked them, can you please tell me why did you do this thing, i literally spent 3 hours working on this article. I think there is nothing worng with it since I used WP:RS. And i didn't exactly copy-pasted the text from the book Perilous Frontier, i've changed a lot of words, sentences and added things from other sources. Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

No offense, but you clearly didn't check them if you're still asking me this question, and I doubt you used 3 hours on copy-pasting/close paraphrasing. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh i didn't check the WP:PARAPHRASE, I've read it now. Well I can rewrite the article with my own words describing the sources that i use as a reference. Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 20:19, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Should i delete the article and rewrite or just fix this article? Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 20:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Please just follow what the article says. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 20:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I was a bit quick on that one; "Unless the copyright status of the text of this page or section is clarified and determined to be compatible with Wikipedia's content license, the problematic text and revisions or the entire page may be deleted one week after the time of its listing." Feel free to rewrite but please keep the template on (someone else will remove it), and please also be a bit more honest; for example, The first paragraph of "Aftermath" and first line of "Tactics" are word-word from the cited source, and that's just those I have checked so far, so "But i didn't copy-paste it directly" is clearly not completely true. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

So should i change it and write with my own words? Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 20:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I tried to rewrite the article with my own words but still i kept some of the important parts in the 'Tactics' part because it analyzes Modu Chanyu's tactic very well. And i don't know how i can express the tactic of Modu differently from the book Perilous Frontier. I hope the article is okay now. Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 19:57, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

You were not supposed to remove the copyright template…that was made quite clear, yet you still went ahead and did it. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:31, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh sorry my bad, when will it be removed and public can access? And can you tell me if the article is okay? Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 17:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Please read the template of the article. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:38, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean? Hunnic Enjoyer (talk) 19:25, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Your question is answered by the template. My earlier comment literally answered your question too. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:35, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

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