Talk:Xiaolin Showdown/Archive 1

Archive 1

Ramundo as leader

Opinion: it is explained throughout the episode (it was a 2 part episode) he sacrifised himself when omi went after the sands of time, and when omi tried to fix the present thus his deeds made him a good leader

There have been many discussions about Raimundo as leader. Some disussions were like so: Omi is 'all himself' so he cannot be leader. Kimiko and Clay are more 'Sub Characters' but then Raimundo once joined the Heylin side thus he shouldn't be leader either. Therefore there is no good canidate.

Many people shall bicker this subject. you think. Who do you think would be a good leader? Who should be it? Consider additudes, expeirience and other important attribrutes.

Let's put it this way. Raimundo was made leader because he is the more popular character in the series. That is why the writers made it as such. Ryūlóng 22:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Kimiko is most sutible in my opinion------------ -------------------------------70.162.46.19 04:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Lord Serpos?

Who is this rarly mentioned Lord Serpos? apparently Jack and Wuya served under him at one point, I've even heard that he is Wuya's father. I've never heard him mentioned in the show and he has no character profile on this site should one be made for him? or at least, something explaining who, or what he is.

Lord Serpos is a character made by a fan that insists to put him in the articles. If someone see this name by the articles of Xiaolin Showdown can and should remove it. --

ah. okay I've seen this a lot, it didn't sound very...

He keep doing it. Recently put Lord Serpos in Dojo Kanojo Cho. I LOST MY PACIENCE, I will say who he is: I find out that he is a user from www.tv.com nicknamed "srebak". Someone registered there please tell him to not place fandom in wikipedia, and give a link to the welcome thing for him. (sorry for this, but...) --

Jack Spicer

I made Jack Spicer (Xiaolin Showdown) a redirect to his entry in this article. User:RJFJR

Omi doesn't like being hugged?

The article says "She [Kimiko] and Omi are good friends, and even though Omi doesn’t like it, she hugs him when he’s about to go through something very bold and daring.", but I dunno... I would say it's more that he's embarrassed than that he doesn't like it... He once said something like "Ooh, my first girl hug. May I have another?" when she hugged him, so I wouldn't say he disliked it. Unless, of course, it was just a joke and wasn't meant to, err, be important... --Peng 06:59, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think omi likes it. expecialy on the episode where omi askes for a blanket and kimiko says no but how about a nice warm hug and omi said that would be nice.

He likes them, he often asks for another. Adam Marx Squared 05:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

I think Omi does like being huged or at least when Kimiko gives him one.

Omi says in many episodes and fanfics that he likes the so called 'Girl Hugs'. As said above; he likes 'Girl Hugs'.

On another note

Let me just note that I really... Well, not to be offensive, but the show seems, to me, to be an utter misappropriation and denigration of the real lineage and mythos of the name of shaolin kung fu. As a student of hung gar and wing chun, I find it slightly demeaning. jglc | t | c

It is a satire; In that regard, it is similar to The Daily Show. Watch it, and see how similar it is to an actual newscast

Wikipedia is not a chatpage!

Look, I'm just notifying the people who are talking on this talk page that Wikipedia is not a place where you say things like "[Xiaolin Showdown] is blatantly racist" or "[is] an utter misappropriation and denigration of the real lineage and mythos of the name of Shaolin". Please - this talk page is for serious discussion and debate about the choices to improve the article. Please - if you want to debate the unrealism or genre of the show, talk about it on a Yahoo! talkpage or something. KFan II 21:32, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Characters:Guest or Not?

I disagree with sorting characters into "Guests" or not. I think its a bad idea. I'm sorting them like this: first the main good characters (the Four Dragons, Dojo, Fung, Jermaine), and then the main bad guys (Jack, Wuya, Chase Young, and Katnappe). Then I'll include the rest of the characters in alphabetical orders. KFan II 21:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that some of the characters are too minor to even be considered characters. I'm erasing the minor characters. KFan II

Oh whatever. I got a totally different idea and did that. KFan II 14:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Personally I think the Main/Guest split was reasonable because it was based on an objective fact, how the voice actor was credited for the role. Making distinctions based on perceived major/minor status is just going to lead to revert wars. For instance, I can't see calling Jermaine a main character, given that he has appeared in only two episodes as far as I am aware. Once pages are up for the individual episodes, I do think that it would make sense to leave all mention of non-recurring guest characters to the single episode they appear in. Caerwine 15:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Whoever is currently working on Xiaolin Showdown, I think you should just separate the characters into categories of good and evil. I mean, you left the Sapphire Dragon and Sabeeny, two one-time only characters, in the evil section, so why do anything differently? Denjo

I don't think it is good to sort characters into guests or not. The point is - are we trying to look at the article as true fans of the series or as the average person off the street? I, as a true fan of the series, think its better to sort them as protagonists and antagonists because calling some characters "guest" is kind of saying that they're not important. For example, Katnappe and Chase Young are very important to the storyline. Just becuase they don't appear in all the episodes that doesn't mean they have to be considered guests. And Jermaine might appear in the third season - who knows? I think the whole "main" - "guest" thing is sort of dumb, and I don't want an edit war on this. I've had enough those on the Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader one and the Darth Sidious/Palpatine one (even though I didn't win any of them). KFan II 03:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Haylin seed

When the Haylin seed first attacks and is on top of the inexplicable tower, it's facial expressions closely imitate that of the insulting french knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Not sure if that's worthy of inclusion, but I thought I'd get it out there. Also, has anyone noticed a romantic subtext between Clay and Kimiko (if other people have noticed it might also be worth including, or maybe I'm just insane.)

No, but I've noticed one between Kimiko and Rai. I think Clay's relationship with her is more protective love. Brother-sister. Adam Marx Squared 05:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Erm, yeah, when the Heylin seed first attacks, it almost mimics the French Knights completely. From the patting of the head, to the French accent, to the raspberry it blows to the Dragons in Training and to the exaggerated look of disbelief when Clay throws huge chunks of Earth at it.

Methinks somebody had been watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail before coming up with that show. (I've already added a brief mention of its behaviour, but the section has now become too long).

Wolf_ODonnell 23:11 (UTC), 14 Oct 2005

Ironically, Clay and Gigi were voiced by the same person, Jeff Bennet, who sounded amazingly like the same knights. And though girls like the charming guy who flatters them, it never ends up. The one where Jessie appears shows that Clay is more loyal to dinner than to any girl.

Spelling consistency

Is it Heylin or Haylin? Both are used throughout the various Xaolin Showdown pages. This really needs to be settled and have all the instances of the word fixed to be consistent.

I checked the official website and they used Haylin but in the episode where they get the Serpent's Tail it is spelled Heylin on the basketball game showdown's scorebord. Are there other episodes where it is spelled out?

In Wuya's character bio for the show through the KidsWB site spells it Heylin so that along with the in-show spelling in My Homey Omi so I'm going to go through and change all the Haylin's to Heylin. If someone can get in touch with the producers and find out the authentic spelling isn't Heylin let us know please.

How it is spelt depends on what it is supposed to say in Chinese and what system is used. Heylin is perfectly all right, but I suspect that it should technically be Heilin.

As a person that speaks Cantonese (albeit very badly), I have this sneaking suspicion that Heylin is partially based on the Cantonese word, Hei, which means breath and is often associated with Chi.

Although if the original Shaolin meant Young Forest, then Heylin must mean something forest. And no, it doesn't mean old forest, because the Chinese for old approximates to lao.

Wolf_ODonnell 11:56 (UTC), 5 Oct 2005

It should really be Heilin.

Hei does not mean breath. It does in cantonese, but chinese in english letters is pinyin which is technically mandarin, in which case, i think Hei would mean black or dark.

MYT 00:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Shen Gong Wu is NOT Cantonese in Origin

Are you kidding me!? I don't get a single word in that show except those in English.

Anonymous

I must agree with the above, anonymous poster.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Shen Gong Wu is actually Mandarin in origin, not Cantonese. This I figured out from the fact that Heilin (Heylin), meaning Dark Forest, is the Mandarin pronounciation. In Cantonese, Dark Forest, would sound something along the lines of Haklin (as in Hak Foo, meaning Black Tiger, from The Adventures of Jackie Chan)

This would fit in with my knowledge of the Mandarin dialect, being that English speaking people find it easier to pronounce Mandarin than Cantonese.

Wolf O'Donnell 22:19 (UTC), 20 Oct 2005

Question about the Chi Monster

• I read the TV Tome entry discribing the Chi Guardian which lived in the Yin-yang world and absorbed Chi. I sound like the Chi Monster in this articule. My question, does anyone know which is the correct name/term? HVulpes 21:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)Hvulpes
  • Just saw a replay of the episode this afternoon. Both Master Fung and Chase Young refered to it as the "Chi Creature", so I've changed the entry to that name. Caerwine 00:26, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Elemental Errror

Though the show tries to reference as many Chinese cultural aspects and phrases as possible, it makes a cultural error concerning the elements.

In Chinese culture, there are five elements and wind isn't one of them. The elements are fire, earth, water, wood and metal.

Perhaps this should be mentioned?

Wolf_ODonnell 00:49 (UTC), 7 Oct 2005

• They could be using the Japanese elements or the western as it is a western show.

The Japanese Elements as Earth, Water, Fire, Wind and Void. The Greek is Water, Wind, Earth, and Fire. I did read a chinese Mythology book which mentioned the Greek elements as part of tibet lore. I would have to go to the Library. One I can pay my fines. HVulpesUser:HVulpes

Yes, I'm perfectly well aware they could be using non-Chinese elements. I was just pointing that out. If it is relevant, maybe we should add something about that to the topic, you know, just so people can know and learn.

Void is an element in Japanese culture? Now that's interesting to know.

Wolf_ODonnell 11:37 (UTC), 10 Oct 2005

I don't think that the xiaolin temple and its culture are Chinese or Japanese or something like that. Master Dashi probably made them to go with the Shen Gong Wu. And maybe Jack and Jermaine will join the temple as wood and metal. It could happen!

Or they might join as Sound(Jermaine) and Metal(Jack). Sound is an Element too! you didnt know that

Monk_of_Ice 8:00 (UTC), 2 Dec 2005

Xiaolin Dragon's Relationships

I noticed they all like Kimiko. Omi likes hugs and so does Raimundo. I've seen an episode were she actually kissed him. Clay sort of likes her I think.

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What ? This is most ridicolous. (is that how you spell ridicolous ? ) They do not like each other. Or so that is my opinion.

I think I know of one crush that doesn't include the main four.

Ever notice how in the one episode with the mermaid-monster girl, where it starts out that they're in an artic area trying to get the Shen Gong Wu (forgot which one it was)? Later, when Jack's stranded in the water, the four come along in their ship and what does he say?

"Kimiko, you came to save me!" (or something along those lines).

And wasn't Kimiko the one who got replaced by the Chameleon? |Trust me, I know, guys tend to pick on the girls they like more..|

Either I'm over analyzing or I noticed something.

And to the above person, it's ridiculous. -finishes post-

-Jess

Also, in the Chameleon episode, Jack hit on Kimiko. Perhaps you missed that, which took up perhaps the middle half of the episode.

With the episode airing on November 26, '05, it can be safely assumed that Raimundo has a crush on Kimiko (she in her kimono in his dream game room, as well as beside him in a movie theatre that shows his greatest moments, including where she kisses him after beating Wuya). The only other characters in that dream were Wuya (his fear of turning Heylin again), Jack (eating popcorn in the movie theatre with only about three or four people), Young/Afraid Raimundo (who embodies all of his fearfulness), and Hannibal Roy Bean (who, like Raimundo, was actually there).

Spelling

What's up with the spelling? Xiaolin should be Xiaolin, which is fine. But Shen Gong Wu should be Xiengon Wu. Ying should be yin. Fung should be Feng. Heylin should be Heilin. So many errors in romanization! Are they all the offical spellings?

You Spelt Xiaolin the same way!

It depends on the system used. Shaolin is equally correct. Wade-Giles, Pinyin... which system is being used depends on how a word is romanised. It is also dependent on language and what you think the person reading it is most likely going to interpret it as. For example, ghoti can be interpted as fish. "gh" sounding like the f sound in rough, o as in women (which sounds like an i) and ti as in attrition, which sounds like sh.

In German, J is pronounced like a y. As long as someone reads it and can pronounce it the proper way, it doesn't matter.

Although I do agree with you, that it doesn't seem as if they're sticking to the same system of Romanisation.

Wolf_ODonnell 22:19 (UTC), 20 Oct 2005

Anonymous Comment-The romanization is done by the show itself, to appeal to the target North American and English viewers. Most of whom do not understand more than one language. As for the Ying Yo-Yo, that's how it's spelt in the show. For the others... As long as they get money, they're happy. Please note the episode where Omi had a Xiaolin Showdown against Chase Young, and they used all sorts of odd Martial Arts moves. It's like a supernatural Simpsons made for little kids, poking fun at ancient Chinese mythology as satire that everyone can laugh at, e.g. 'Sparrow eating hot dog.'

Actually, Xiaolin is an incorrect spelling. It should be Shaolin.

MYT 21:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Xiaolin is a completely different thing to Shaolin, you can tell because Shaolin is real but Xiaolin is make believe. And can you really call it 'poking fun at ancient chinese mythology'?

Xiao means 'small' in Chinese (among other things), maybe it's an 'in joke'

Then there's always the concept that the X made it look cooler for its intended audience. Ryulong 17:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Re-organisation of Character List Needed

Having just reorganised a different character list, I can safely say that the current version is not adequate. Characters should be organised into three major categories (Xiaolin, Heylin, Other). These three categories can then be sub-divided into major and minor as appropriate.

As characters' alignments of Xiaolin Showdown is more stable than that of the previous character list I worked on, this will not result in bad guys ending up in the same parent category as the good guys.

It would probably also be a good idea to trim some of the descriptions. Some are a little bit too big for their own good.

Wolf O'Donnell 22:10, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Having just seen the character list for the Teen_Titans_(animated_series) article, it would probably be a good idea to emulate that. It's nice and short and links will lead to a separate article with more detail on a character.

Wolf O'Donnell 22:19 (UTC), 20 Oct 2005

I agree the characters should be listed on three lists. Good, Heylin and Semi-Heylin(or some other name). For example chase is technicly not really heylin as he started out good. In other words the third should be a catagory for characters who are not truely evil. (aka Spicer :D). Or otherwise we would be going crazy organizing characters everyday on what side they are on. Like omi and raimundo who joined the heylin side.

Why can't it just be Xiaolin (Good Guys) and Heylin (bad guys) and say what saide they are usually or currently on, and then point out in their profile that they were once on the other

No way is the Run Time for Xiaolin Showdown 30 minutes.

The information on Xiaolin Showdown lasting half an hour per episode is clearly incorrect. I myself haven't actually timed each episode, but each Xiaolin Showdown episode fits within a half hour timeslot that includes X minutes of commercials. Therefore each show lasts 30-X minutes, with X being the time it takes for the commercials to run. Until Xiaolin Showdown airs on BBC (which has no commercials) I myself cannot fix the error in the article. Wolf ODonnell 18:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

- as a heads up, 1)most tv shows are listed by their allocated time slot... not the actual running time

                2) American/Canadian Tv shows are 22 minutes of programming for each 30 minute slot.
                                                                            -terminater116

Yes, but the tag underneath the picture clearly states run time as in actual running time, not allocated time slot. That is why I protested at the time given as 30 minutes. Wolf ODonnell 13:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Clean-Up Proposal

The current Xiaolin Showdown article is starting to get too big and too disorganised. If more information is added as the article currently stands, it will become end up exceeding the recommended Wikipedia article size.

The character list is too long, partially because each character entry includes practically every single bit of character history plus personality all entwined.

My first proposal for the character list is to split it off into a completely different article entitled, "Xiaolin Showdown Character List". The list will then be split into Protagonists and Antagonists, as the division between Xiaolin and Heylin is actually superfluous. Every character entry will be split into "Character History" and "Character Personality". To ensure the list doesn't become too big, "Character history" must not go into too much detail and must describe episode events in the briefest detail as possible.

My second proposal for the character list is to split it off into two different articles, one for Protagonists and one for Antagonists. Every character entry will once again be split into History and Personality, as with the above proposal.

Third proposal, all character entries must be shrunk into this format:

Character Name: Voice Actor: Brief Character Personality:

Further information: example)

Episode Appearances:

A picture may be included underneath or to the side.

Now, for the proposals unrelated to the Character List.

This main article should deal with who created it, show's main premise, current status, interesting facts and other facts related to its presence in the real world.

I await your discussion on this topic. Wolf ODonnell 12:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I've been writing episode articles in my user space, but waiting until I had a reasonably consistent format that I wished to follow nailed down before porting them over to the main article space, and was certain that it covered everything. Alas, I've been distracted too much by stub sorting, but I shall return to the endeavor of Xiaolin Showdown now. Anyway, if people want to critique that format User:Caerwine/Episode template (Xiaolin Showdown) is where you'll find it.

A separate character list is a good idea, and the list should be trimmed by having characters that appear only in a single episode being discussed in length only in the article about that episode. I'm doubtful about having two separate articles. Indeed, I'm doubtful about the whole protagonist/antagonist split. I would not be surprised if by the end of the series Jack and/or Chase were to change to the side of good. Caerwine 14:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Your episode template is ideal, but I wouldn't be able to comment on Jack or Chase turning to the side of good, what with me not having seen any episodes of the new season. (Not in the same country as you). The Protagonist/antagonist split, though would be able to help organise the characters. Maybe a Xiaolin, Heylin, Other system would be better, with most characters falling under Other? Wolf ODonnell 14:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

It's tolerable if it's within the same article, but I wouldn't create two separate articles at this point. In any case, the transfer would at this point be pure speculation. They've laid the seeds of that happening plotwise, but they might well not germinate. Caerwine 15:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Create a Minor Characters sub-topic in the end of Protagonists topic and place Jermaine, Dashi, Guan(Place him back im protagonists if he appear more), Megan, Klofange, Chameleon-bot, Sapphire Dragon, Sabeeny, Raksha, Dyris, Gigi, Chi Creature and English T-Rex there. Or could make sub-topics to all characters like have done with Chase Young.

Another Option could be to place all of the Monk attacks and weapons on a diffrent page; order by person or element

Other techniques

Is this topic really necessary when cutting down size? There are probably over 100 Named moves in the show, probably around 300 non-named. Is this sub-section of the article really necessary? J.J.Sagnella 18:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

36 redirects

I discovered Category:Xiaolin Showdown when I found one of its articles on "random article". This category has 38 (!) articles in it, the vast majority of which are about topics that are too obscure to be encyclopedic. They also all badly need cleanup, and I can guarantee you that nobody will ever clean up this many articles about Xiaolin Showdown.

I'm probably going to get mercilessly beaten for this, but I'd like to remove 36 of these articles (all of them but Xiaolin Showdown and Xiaolin Showdown Trading Card Game), replacing them with redirects to this article. This is a huge change, so I might as well ask on the talk page first. (I've asked some regulars on Articles for Deletion, and they don't want to deal with 36 articles, especially if they can just be redirected. They told me to ask here and then do it.)

I'm sorry to the fans here if it seems like I'm trashing your work. You don't have the contributors to maintain 38 articles, even if you could make them all encyclopedic. I think you'd be much better off focusing your efforts on two articles instead.

Here are the articles which I'd like to redirect -- and yes, I have looked at them all:

• Chameleon Bot
• Chase Young
• Citadel of Doom
• Days Past
• Dyris (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Finding Omi
• Grand Master Dashi
• Hannibal Roy Bean
• Heylin Plant (Xiaolin Showdown)
• In the Flesh (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Jack Spicer (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Katnappé
• Mala Mala Jong
• Master Monk Guan
• Megan (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Moby Morpher
• Mrs.Cornhaven
• Omi Town
• Pandabubba (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Pandatown
• Reversing Mirror effects
• Sabeeny (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Shen Gong Wu
• Something Jermaine
• The Black Vipers
• The Dream Stalker
• The Evil Within
• The Last Temptation of Raimundo
• The Life and Times of Hannibal Roy Bean
• The Return of Pandabubba
• Treasure of a Blind Swordsman
• U-bot (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Vlad (Xiaolin Showdown)
• Wuya
• Ying Yang Bird

rspeer 23:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• Agree with most. If it's needed, do it. Just remember to not delete but sort of merge it, and put a mention of it on another page about Xiaolin Showdown. Just stay off Shen Gong Wu. See no reason to touch that one. J.J.Sagnella 23:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• Okay, I'll leave Shen Gong Wu. I've found that there are two more articles, not on that list, that should be kept: Xiaolin Showdown Characters and Minor Xiaolin Showdown Characters (though these need to be cleaned up as well). Most of the articles I'm redirecting are episodes, which are already adequately covered by List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes, which is where I'll redirect them to. Characters will be directed to Xiaolin Showdown Characters (if they're there already) or otherwise Minor Xiaolin Showdown Characters. rspeer 23:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• Fine but I say we leave shen ga wu.

• I've done it. Since I haven't watched this show, I didn't know how central Shen Gong Wu are; I see that now, and I've left it as its own article. Characters and episodes were redirected to the appropriate pages. A couple of things were redirected to Shen Gong Wu. I had no idea what to do with U-bot (Xiaolin Showdown), so I just redirected it to Xiaolin Showdown. Thanks for going along with this; I hope you all have a better time maintaining your project now. rspeer 01:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• The U-bot if i remember correctly is a machine Jack Spicer used to attack the Xiaolin monks in one of the episodes. (May be wrong).

EDIT:sorry wrong, they are the small companions the good guys have which are little robots which help them. They are not shen-gong-wu. And you got it right, shen gong wu are completely central around the show, they spend most of the show either training for shen-gong-wu,finding shen-gong-wu or fighting for shen-gong-wu. J.J.Sagnella 08:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

• PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THE SHEN GONG WU PAGES!!! Nate 20:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the Reversing Mirror effects should stay also, it has too many effects to stay on the Shen Gong Wu article.

The problem was with that article very few people knew whether the description was seen in the cartoon and known to be correct, or just made up with a logical, or sometimes unlogical guess.. J.J.Sagnella

GA Failing

Reasons for failing -

• cleanup tags
• stub sections
• empty sections
• non-notable episodes
• no references

Fix then please re-apply, Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 22:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon Cartoon

I know that XS was not made as a Cartoon Cartoon, but the category that is being added and reverted Category:Shows on Cartoon Cartoons includes those cartoons that have been shown in the Cartoon Cartoon block on the Cartoon Network despite not having been made as a Cartoon Cartoon. I have no idea whether XS falls into that category, but if it does, the category is appropriate. Could someone who knows address that point here so we don't have reverts happening endlessly on this point? Caerwine Caerwhine 00:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I personally think that the category should be changed to "Cartoon Cartoons" instead of "Shows on Cartoon Cartoons" or even "Shows on Cartoon Cartoon Fridays." I know that another user and I had to fix changes to a template and where it had been put because of the misunderstanding of what consisted of a Cartoon Cartoon. I'm pretty sure that Cartoon Cartoons are only Cartoon Network original programming that are primarily broadcast in the Friday night block. Ryulong 02:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Addendum It appears that the person who put this back into the category was the same vandal who worked on that template. See MascotGuy (talk · contribs) for details. Ryulong 02:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Xiaolin Showdown isn't listed as a cartoon cartoon, because cartoon cartoons were the earlier original shows of cartoon network. Since, until somewhere around the year 2001, 2002, or 2003 they stopped calling their original cartoons "cartoon cartoons." Also, not to mention the fact that, Xiaolin Showdown is not a cartoon network original cartoon since it was on kid's WB first.

Overall showdown records

How is counted the Overall showdown records? There was only 50 Xiaolin Showdown in the show, but it says Xiaolin: 42, Heylin: 11 and 3 not counted. Its a total of 56! Xiaolin won 35 and Heylin 10, and 3 not counted. There are 2 showdowns I don't known to which side goes: Raimundo X Jack in "In the Flesh" (Raimundo goes to the Heylin side after the showdown), and Clay vs Jessie in "The Black Vipers" (she gave almost all the SGW back). --TebiJongWu 16:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I do not think that we need a link to an incomplete fansite, nor a fan rpg forum. Please stop adding these links back in, until we reach a concensus here on the Talk Page. Ryulong 19:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It appears to me that the IP addresses that keep adding these links in are very similar. It appears that this spam vandal's IP address changes every so often. Is there any way to deal with this? Ryulong 19:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Season 4 Debate

One of the pieces of evidence against a 4th season is that the Xiaolin Dragons have most of the Shen Gong Wu, but during Time After Time (1), most were stolen from them, and during Time After Time (2), Mala-Mala Jong was among the villains. I mentioned this before, and changed the article to reflect these facts; both alterations are gone. I know I'm not a user, but the fact remains that the article is blatantly incorrect.

This may be so, but there was a lot of time travelling involved with these episodes, so it isn't really known as to what happened. Ryulong 16:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

But the end result of all the time traveling resulted with all the villains, including Mala-Mala Jong. Though your point is valid concerning the theft of the Shen Gong Wu, there is no way the Xiaolin Dragons could have all but four Shen Gong Wu while facing him.

And now I have removed the bulk of the section because no one really knows the specifics (and the list form attracted vandalism). Ryulong 19:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean when you say they had most of the Shen Gong Wu? Since, in the first episode Wuya told Jack that there were hundreds of Shen Gong Wu.

That is only said because if she said that "There are only 75 Shen Gong Wu" that wouldn't prove to be very interesting or much of a series. By saying there are hundreds, the writers leave room for as many episodes and as many Shen Gong Wu that they will need. No one knows how many Shen Gong Wu there are, as they'll just invent more for upcoming episodes. by "they have most of the Shen Gong Wu" they have most of the Shen Gong Wu that have been revealed in the series. The Heylin have maybe five total without Mala Mala Jong, Jessie Bailey has one, and the Xiaolin have the rest. Ryulong 22:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Various bloopers and such

In the episode "Mala Mala Jong", When they are all sitting around the campfire with the shen-gong-wu chest open, you can see the Golden Tiger Claws inside. WTF? Tinlv7 22:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not really that important. And please, this page is for discussing changes to the Xiaolin Showdown article, not talking about the series like this is some sort of fan forum. Ryulong 22:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry... Is there somewhere here that is? Tinlv7 22:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid not. Wikipedia is not a fan forum, and talk pages are for discussing changes to the article. However, you could see if Mala Mala Jong (episode) lists what you noticed as a goof or whatever the page has, now that I think of it. Ryulong 22:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Change of Clothes

Well, it's obvious that in showdowns the Warriors change into their different outfits. But I noticed that ever since the second time that Mala Mala Jong appeared, in The Emperor Scorpion Strikes Back, that they now change into Ninja-like costumes. They didn't get any sort of upgrade, and all of a sudden they just changed into Ninja costumes instead of their Monk robes. Just wondering if it's explained somewhere. Thanks.

At the end of The Deep Freeze, Master Fung gives them the Ninja-like armor for use in all future Xiaolin Showdowns instead of the monks' robes. Ryulong 03:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

note:videogame outfits change

Question about the Pandatown episode

During the episode Pandatown, Omi used the Falcons Eye to look inside PandaBubba's fortress and multiple people were seen using different Wu. One of them was, unmistakably, the Sun Chi Lantern. Now, to my recollecction, the Sun Chi Lantern was only seen, let alone used, in only one other episode, the on in which it was revealed. Am I rembering right, and if I am, how did it get into Heylin hands? Did Jack pull off a heist and the Xiaolin forget about it or what?

It's just one of the many unanswerable questions concerning the continuity of Xiaolin Showdown. The Sun Chi Lantern has only really been seen once, and it served its purpose for the episode. Ryūlóng 22:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It's possible he took it in The Shard of Lightning but it was unseen because he was holding so many. It's just an assumption, but it's one that prevents a contiuity error, which would be good enough to not be listed as a mistake at moviemistakes.com. Jay32183 23:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Do not delete my link

Xiaolin wiki is new and needs users so do not delete it,s external link Djf2014 16:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's policy on external links. Your statement shows that you are advertising, which is a form of vandalism. Ryūlóng 20:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

In fact, several of the pages at that wiki are directly copied and pasted from the English Wikipedia. That violates the GDFL. Ryūlóng 07:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

GDFL? And I Edited them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djf2014 (talk • contribs)

The GDFL is the license that allows Wikipedia to use its content. Unless you link the original articles on Wikipedia on the fan wiki, then the content should be removed from your wiki. Ryūlóng 21:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

How do i do that im a kid Djf2014 21:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

also My wiki does not sell products. Djf2014 21:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. You have to give credit to the editors of Wikipedia's articles that you directly copied and pasted from Wikipedia to your fansite. Do so by linking the Wikipedia articles the same way you linked your website to this article. If you do not give credit to the Wikipedia editors then it is a copyright violation. Ryūlóng 21:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ill Try to make a template. But one Question how do I make a template? Djf2014 15:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't need to make a template. Just copy the link to any Wikipedia page, and put it between [ and ] maybe give it a link to say "Wikipedia's page on..." whatever the page is for. No template necessary. Ryūlóng 20:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Fourth Season

hey i hear that season four was announced is it true cus if it is you need to alter the season four section or delete it User:Hunter132 12:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you give a source to the season four announcement? As of now, there does not appear to be any information on a fourth season. If the new CW states that there will be a new episode of Xiaolin Showdown, then we will change the article to reflect that. Ryūlóng 20:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

yes i saw it on toywiz go to http://www.toywiz.com/ and scroll down til you see other categories it is alphabetical order so Xiaolin Showdown should be at the bottom click on it and up top on an ad bar it might say that it depends User:Hunter132 18:01, 11 August 2006

I can see that you are referring to this. Yes, it does appear that they may create a new season after all. I will add this into the article. Ryūlóng 01:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

That old from season 3 look at the date of the first episode of of season 3 and the date on that images

that may be but i still have more proof go to http://www.tv.com/ and type in Xiaolin Showdown scroll down some you should see a link that says episode list or something click it and you can go to season four User:Hunter132 19:24, 12 August 2006

But season four's entry is empty on tv.com, and it is editted like Wikipedia, by anyone (who registers). Ryūlóng 03:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

click on TBA it says coming soon which may confirm a fourth season

Before anyone begins to think that there most definitely won't be a new season, consider this fact: Postopia.com added a new Xiaolin Showdown game on its website (possible reason) and little info on two new Shen-Gong-Wu (the Fifi-Xiaogo & the Genie Moo) and had a new picture of a new Jack-bot! Considering this is a "real" website the information should/has to be completely true.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.145.96 (talk • contribs)

We won't know anything definitive for another couple of weeks, if anything at all. Ryūlóng 06:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, guys, but one person who was on the show, said that Xiaolin Showdown is out of production. http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80725 --Erased Paper 10:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The episode airing on September 23 is Sizing Up Omi. However, they might start season four later on.

If you read the forum above, they said if fans pitch in for Xiaolin Showdown items such as dvds, they might consider a fourth season and they also said the shoe became a hit on Cartoon Network. Also, Teen Titans passed their fourth season which contained 52 episodes. Even if the show doesn't return to Kids WB, there's always Cartoon Network as the ratings have increased there. That's when I first watched it, because I thought it was silly at first when airing on WB. - BJ

I have successifully contacted WB about there being a fourth season or not. I recived an email from a one Gwen Moore(KPLR). This person contacted the adminastraters and they said "The show (Xiaolin Showdown) has been laid to rest." Which means the show's adminastration (Producer/creater/director/whoever) decided to end the production of the series eventhough CW wanted another season. Sorry guys and gals, but sadly this means Xiaolin Showdown is done...unless some third party producer desides to pick it up were it left off, kindof like what they did to Scooby Doo. So it might take 30-40 years, but it could come back! - Steven Kraml

Hi! I'm registered on Polish forum of Xiaolin Showdown Fans and we (I with users of that forum) are making a petition about 4th season. Do you want to join into our action for 4th season of XS?? If yes, please info in my Polish page (accept English).

Mkmk101 (talk) 15:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

No online petition has ever accomplished anything 71.193.243.8 (talk) 16:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Fan theories

Please do not add information to the article based on your personal interpretation of the show, or things you've heard other fans say. This is original research and is not allowed in Wikipedia. This means no talking about stories that could have been written, unless you can source one of the series writers or producers. Just remeber this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Jay32183 21:01, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

"New" episodes on Cartoon Network

I keep seeing this get added to the article, but it isn't true. Check the TV Guide listings and you'll see the episode airing Monday is Oil in the Family. I don't know why CN is calling them new, but they are not. Jay32183 19:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• Because their new to Cartoon Network Goodgirldv9898 10:54 28 Janruary 2007

• Cartoon Network isn't airing any new episodes anymore. This should be modified or removed now.--69.214.1.75 00:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Showdown Types

I'm seeing a separate article at the bottom of the page for "Shen Yi Bu Dare", which kinda bothers me. Shouldn't we have a page that maps out the types of Showdowns and possible the rules associated with each one? I'm talking about varients like Shen Yi Bu Dare, Showdown Trio, 8-way Showdown, etc. There are also side rules that can be included, such as playing against someone who is made up of more than half Wu. 68.228.38.225 05:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

In this case, make a section somewhere on this page for that :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up

This article needs a lot of work. We need to add details on the development and reception of the series. We need to make this not read like a fan guide, which probably means the list of techniques needs to go. The plot summary needs to be cleaned up so it doesn't read like a recount of history. Lots of references would be good too. Jay32183 07:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I have restructured the article to more closely fit Wikipedia standards of organization, cleaned up some sections (like the lead paragraph) and added some information on cultural references outside the series. Hewinsj 18:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been doing some good with the article, just not sure what to do with the "mystical elements" section. Some of it might be worth keeping but it mostly looks like fancruft which is frowned upon. Hewinsj 15:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right. We may want to bring in some one who is unfamiliar with the series to see what a non-fan thinks of that sections importance. Jay32183 18:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

I made a page by accident entitled Xiolin Showdown. I misspelled Xiaolin and created the page. Please visit. --Mikemoral

Note: this was my first Wikipedia encyclopedia article. Please delete it some one and again sorry.

add {{db-author}} to the top of the page. An admin will get to it. Jay32183 00:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

All fixed.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

dvd xiaolin showdown 2

hei why  is warner not interested in make the seasson 2 of xiaolin showdown?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.94.91.200 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Images

Some of the images on the main article were speedy deleted for not having copyright info. Would anyone care to replace them if fair use rationale could be given? Hewinsj 06:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Reducing Fancruft

Do we need to keep the extensive list of supporting characters? List of Xiaolin Showdown characters does a pretty good job of covering them. I'm thinking Master Fung and Grand Master Dashi are the only people mentioned on the show enough to warrent staying in the main article. Also, do we need to keep the Other Magic Besides Shen Gong Wu? I can't think of anything in that list that occurs significantly enough to be notable. Hewinsj 16:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm also against the "Other Magic Besides Shen Gong Wu" section. It's going into too much plot detail for talking about the series. Jay32183 18:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'll give it a day or two more, and if no one objects I'll pull them. Hewinsj 15:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Untitled comment

Someone please add " Category:Cartoon Network shows " in Xiaolin Showdown please.--XiaolinFan1 22:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

i think it is a good thing, what other catagory could you put the things under? there isnt any other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.191.244.129 (talk) 16:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

• Xiaolin Showdown is not a Cartoon Network show. Jay32183 (talk) 21:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Answer to Jay32183

Jay32183 (talk) You have questioned my right to post a link for episodes of Xiaolin Showdown but I assure you I have the right to do so because I directed the episodes that are on my site. My business agreement with Warner Bros. states that I am allowed to display works that I was involved in and therefore my link is valid on this page. I can verify this on IMBD and many other websites including my own. I'm sorry for the confusion. I tried to post this when i edited the page but Wikipedia is a rather awkward and badly laid out website to understand. If you have any further questions concerning this please don't hesitate to contact me again.

Is there a copy of that permission posted on your website? I have no doubt that you are the person you claim to be based on the website; I just didn't see a "used with permission of Warner Bros." when I checked. Jay32183 (talk) 07:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Character Names

This may just be a coincidence, but Omi's name means water in Yoruba, and Clay's name is, clay. Do the other character's names have any meaning? And if so, are these meanings related to the characters themselves? GreenIsGarbage (talk) 17:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• Rai is Japanese for thunder and Kimiko written in Japanese ends in the character for fire. We can't really add this to the article though because we don't have a reliable source to suggest it is more than coincidence. Jay32183 (talk) 07:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge proposal

• I'm opposed to merging the articles. The articles that would be removed are unsourced, don't have real world context, and would overburden this article with fancruft. Deletion is probably a better option. If the articles were merged, the content from the other articles would slowly but surely be trimmed out of this article anyway. Jay32183 (talk) 00:23, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• One thing you could do is merge all the "list of Shen Gong Wus" into one instead of three. Ameki (talk) 20:57, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
  • That wouldn't really solve the problem. The issue isn't that there are too many articles. Although a significant plot point, Shen Gong Wu does not have the real world significance, or at least not sources providing a real world perspective, necessary for a stand alone article or list. Merging the three lists would just lump the content together. They were originally one list that was split for length. If a list is allowed, splitting for length based on season is reasonable. Jay32183 (talk) 01:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

• I've attempted merging Shen Gong Wu into this article. I've left the lists for now. Jay32183 (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
  • I've hidden the lists under redirects. Seems like the only thing we can do, other than deletion. Jay32183 (talk) 03:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

4th season

Is that truth, that there's gonna be he 4th season, or it will be just displayed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.26.186 (talk) 15:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

tangled web

I find the talk page Talk:Tangled Web a little confusing. I'm guessing it's talking about Xiaolin Showdown, since that's what the main Tangled Web article talked about about, before that content was deleted ([1]).

What should we do about it? Has all the useful content from that talk page and that deletion already been moved into the proper articles -- Xiaolin Showdown or Shen Gong Wu or List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes? --DavidCary (talk) 13:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Eartha Kitt did not voice Wuya

I have season one on DVD and Susan Silo voiced Wuya in every episode. I'm not sure where the confusion could've come from since Eartha Kitt was not involved in the show at all and Silo has a voice that is fairly distinct and easy to recognize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.141.146.36 (talk) 06:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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